Nazi Flying Saucers

Foo Fighters and the Kugleblitz
Al Pinto
taken from ParaNet
additional material by Vangard

We, because of the infinitesimal size of the Universe, can
quite easily say that the probability of the Earth being the only
planet inhabited by intelligent beings is not logical. However,
while there is research going on today in order to prove the
existence of extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) by listening in
on the radio waves of space, I wonder; have we been contacted
already? Is there something in the UFO phenomenon that proves
the existence of extraterrestrials? Let's look at the facts.

Thousands of people from all around the world report the
sightings of strange aerial phenomenon every year. It has been
going on for many years, but not as much as from 1947 to present.
Due to the fact that so many people have seen objects in the sky
that they can't identify, we could at least admit that there is
sufficient reason to believe that UFO's exist. We can't
scientifically prove their existence just based on that fact but
we can't ignore it either. So our next logical step would be to
get more data.

Is the origin of all UFO's extraterrestrial? Is there a
possibiliy that at least some may come from Earth and Earth
technology? The answer to that question is yes, some are Earth
originated. People can easily mistake a plane or helicopter
flying at night as a UFO and have already. Some even thought that
Venus was one. However, while most UFO's could be explained,
there are an astonishing number of reports that cannot. They
include reports from people such as police chiefs, scientists,
pilots, and most interestingly, astronauts. There is plenty of
information publically available that is reputable about details
of their encounters.

Our next step should be to concentrate on these unexplainable
sightings. Out of these, is it still possible that the objects
could come from Earth? Dr. Renato Vesco thought so. In his book
"Intercept UFO," he writes about his experience and information
with Nazi Germany. I am going to include a paper written by him
but first let me tell you his credentials.

Renato Vesco is a fully liscensed aircraft engineer and a
specialist in aerospace and ramjet developements. He attended
the University of Rome and, before WWII, studied at the German
Institute for Aerial Developement. During the war, Vesco worked
with the Germans at the Fiat Lake Garda secret installations in
Italy. In the 1960's, he worked for the Italian Air Ministry of
Defense as an undercover technical agent, investigating the UFO

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He writes:

"On November 27, 1944, a B-27 of the United States Air Force,
returning from a raid on Speyer, West Germany, encountered a
huge, orange colored light moving upward at an estimated speed
of 500 MPH. When the pilots reported, sector radar had
reported negatively, because nothing had registered on the

But the object seen by the returning bomber was only the first of
numerous others spotted by American pilots over wartime Germany
and promptly baptized 'foo-fighters.'

Fighter pilots Falls and Backer, of the 415th Squadron,
reported such an encounter a month later forcing the Air Force to
admit that such objects might exist. Later encounters with foo
fighters led experts to assume they were German inventions of a
new order employed to baffle radar.

How close they came to the truth, they learned only when the
war was over and Allied Intelligence teams moved into the secret
Nazi plants. The foo-fighters seen by American pilots were only a
minor demonstration, a fraction of a vast variety of methods used
to confuse radar and interrupt electro magnetic currents.

Work on the German anti-radar Feurball, or fireball, had been
speeded up during the fall of 1944 at a Luftwaffe experimental
center near Oberammergau, Bavaria. There, and at the aeronautical
establishment at Weiner Neustadt, the first fireballs were
produced. Later, when the Russians moved closer to Austria, the
workshops producing the fireballs were moved to the Black Forest.

Fast and remote controlled, the fireballs, equipped with
klystron tubes operating on the same frequency as Allied radar,
which could eliminate the blips from radar screens. This allowed
them to remain practically invisible to ground control.

The Nazi Feurball failed to interfere with the Allied air
offensive. The foo fighters had been launched too late and could
no longer change the course of events, but in themselves they were
significant not only because they were the outcome of a technical
evolution which could have led to more dangerous weapons, but also
because they showed that Nazi technology had moved in a direction
far beyond anything expected by Allied Intelligence.

As the fall of Germany approached, the Nazi Leaders reverted
to an ambitious project created by Gauleiter Franz Hofer who had
become high commissioner for the Italian Tyrol and the Southern
Alps. The project foresaw setting up an incredible fortress in
the mountains, including parts of Italy, Austria and Bavaria.

Hofer submitted his plan to Hitler's aide, Martin Bormann in
November 1944, having prepared for this moment back in 1938 when
Nazi agents carefully mapped all mountain passes, caves, bridges,
highways, and located sights for underground factories, munitions
dumps, arms and food caches. To complete work on this fortress,
Hofer demanded a slave labor force of a quarter of a million, to
be composed of 70% Austrian workers and 30% men of the Tyrolese
home guard.

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So-called U-Plants were to be set up underground as gigantic
workshops and launching pads for the secret weapons which were to
turn the tide of the war in favor of the Nazis.

Among these were some 74 tunnels along Lake Garda, in
Northern Italy, which were to be adapted and transformed into a
vast assembly plant by FIAT of Turin in close collaboration with
the department of Minister Albert Speer. Seven other tunnels
along Lake Garda, near Limone, were to produce several weapons
tested at the Hermann Goering Institute of Riva del Garda.

According to the archives of the German High Command and of
the Allied Combined Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee, other
plants in vital areas of Central Germany, code named M-Werke, were
to produce powerful missles such as the giant A.9/A.10 destined to
destroy New York and Washington. But most important was the
Alpine area, for it was from there that the supreme weapons were
to come.

This report, never released by the Allies, was made by a
French diplomat. It was forwarded to Free French Intelligence
Headquarters at Algiers. The top secret report reffered to the
blue clouds as something approaching anti-aircraft projectiles
based on the grisou (fire damp) gas found in mines, and which had
been succesfully tried against other bombers over Lake Garda.

The French report was intercepted by Italian agents and
deciphered at SID (Italian Counter-Intelligence) Headquarters at
Castiglione della Stiviere. The message was later captured by a
military intelligence team operating for the eighth Army in Italy.

The contents of the message was no novelty to the Allies.
Already, some time ago, shortly after the bombing of Dresden,
British and American intelligence had obtained a brief account
concerning the use of some such weapon used against a group of
twelve American bombers.

That message, which came from an agent in Switzerland
attached to Allen Dulle's team, also stated the attacker had been

"a strange hemispherical object which flew at fantastic speeds
and destroyed the bombers without using firearms.'

Then, after the German surrender in May, 1945, a team of
British agents, investigating the files of some of the underground
factories in the Black Forest, discovered that a large number of
documents concerned 'important experiments made with LIQUID OXYGEN
for new turbine engines capable of developing extraordinary

Other documents described the use of 'gaseous explosives'
which had been originally tested in Austria in 1936. Their
existence was later confirmed by the ALSOS Mission and by Dr. Hans
Friedrich Gold, of the Laboratory for Aeronautical Research at
Volkenrode. The ejection of gas explosives had been part of the
program tackled by researchers on Lake Garda and later tested with
success by the circular flying object against Allied bombers. This
object, in German military files, already had an operational name:
'Round Lightning' (Kugelblitz).

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Long and close observation between the special Air Research
Corps of the SS, Austrian research centers in Vienna, the Hermann
Goering Works and the vast complex of underground G-Works had
previously produced amazing improvement on the fireball or foo-
fighter which, despite it's anti-radar effectiveness, remained
comparatively harmless. But by combining the principle of the
aircraft with a round, symmetrical plane with direct gyroscopic
stabilization, employing an ejector-gun using grisou and a
gelatinous organic/mettalic fuel for a total reaction turbine,
adding remote control, vehicle take off, infrared seeking
equipment and electrostatic firing systems, the harmless fireball
became the lethal Kugelblitz!

Believe me, I can prove what I say (Vesco). The Kugelblitz,
to be on the safe side, employed, in addition to it's
electrostatic firing system, a similar system based on short waves
and built by the Patent Verwertungs Gesselschaft of Salzburg,
Austria. The whole thing formed one compact, round mass which had
absolutely nothing in common with any flying object ever produced

In documents found by British Intelligence teams and
submitted to the British Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee -
documents which I have been able to study - these and many other
details are known. They can be found in the Sub-Committee's
Final Report Number 61 on the 'Weapons Section of the L.F.A.,

Kugelblitz, together with it's "younger brothers of the
fireball, lens-shaped bomb and other weapons, began the real
history of the UFO's. In itself, it was a second generation

The 'round lightning' weapon, the incredibly fast and
mysterious disk-shaped craft that had been rumored and sighted in
action, was used only once. As the Allied forces crossed the
Rhine, the only craft of it's type was destroyed by the SS on
instructions from Berlin, to prevent it's capture. But ever
since, due to the severe censorship imposed by 'T' force of the
British Army in Germany, and later, thanks to the complete
blackout imposed by London, nothing more was heard of "Round

I know that agents of the 'T' force camp at Bad Gandersheim
closely examined the documents found in the G-Works, documents
which had been elaborated by the technical general staff of the SS
and by technical control of the Henshel and Zeppelin works. These
documents concern the propulsion unit of the Kugelblitz prototype
built by the Kreislaufbetrieb Motor D.W. in 1943 for the F.F.K.F.
(Forschungsinstitut for Kraftfhart and Fahzeugmotoren) at
Stuttgart-Untertuerkheim and perfected by Professors Kamm and

The British called this motor an 'oxygen recycle system.' It
was later abandoned in favor of the Walter turbine, powered by
hydrogen peroxide. The documents found discussed the possibility
of using both systems in a compound-type propulsion unit.

To these basic facts, I must add: A mass of documents and
equipment were taken by British 'T' teams to Bedford and then to
Canada and Australia.

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In a certain sense, the British were more intelligent than
the Americans, for they permitted German scientists to complete
their work in Germany on the sight where they had worked all
through the war - only, of course, under close supervision. This
happened at Darmstadt and Goettingen.

Later on, these installations were dismantled and shipped to
Britain. The Transport Service of the British Ministry of
Aviation discreetly shipped the scientists and documents to
Britain, Canada and Australia, in successive phases. Lists of
the scientists to be sent overseas had been compiled in the spring
of 1944 by the B.I.O.S. and formed separate and specialized

One such team, composed of Proffessor Ben Lockspeiser and
W.J. Richards, Dr. S.H . Hollingdale and C aptain A.D. Green,
handled 'advanced projects, missles, jet and turbine craft.'
Another, including T.A. Taylor and M.A. Wheeler, investigated
German advances in the field of Thermo-refraction. Another team,
which obtained the services of Dr. Ernst Westermann, former
director of the F.D.R.P. Institutes of Speyer and Saarbrucken,
concentrated on the fireball projects.

The then Ministry of Aircraft Production, similar to the
German wartime Jaegerstab, ceased to exist officially on March 31,
1946, and became part of the Ministry of Supply.

In the years that followed, these teams, and especially the
experts headed by Professor Lockspeiser, worked on a multitude of
German projects, adapting these to their own experiments in the
field of 'suction' wings and on the work of two German scientists
during the war, Professors Prandtl and Busemann, to develop a high
speed fighter in which the air intake along the wings was
discharged through a half-moon-shaped crescent along the fuselage
in order to both drive and support the vehicle at high speeds.

This research comes to mind when one remembers the incident
of January 3, 1956. A Cessna, employed on a job of aerial
photography near Pasadena, encountered three circular flying
objects which circled it at a speed of 1600 mph and at a distance
of two miles. One of these objects, in suddenly breaking away
from the formation, gave off a long, vaporous trail as it sped
through a cumulous cloud, cutting the cloud in two. 'Exactly as
if it had sucked up the cloud., ' the Cessna pilot exclaimed

Back in 1946, the British Broadcasting Corporation announced
that Britain 'would soon have aircraft capable of speeds well over
1000 mph, that, according to some experts, such craft had already
been built and that, in the near future, they could circumnavigate
the globe several times because they needed only fuel for take off
and landing..'

Other British sources mentioned aircraft capable of speeds of
several thousand miles an hour.

More than twenty years have passed since the otherwise so-
eminently-careful BBC boasted of 'Britain's planes of the future,'
and officially these aircraft still remain little more than a
dream. And yet, did not Ben Lockspeiser, the man who was in

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charge of the most responsible 'T' teams, declare that 'such craft
would need no fuel?' Did he not imply that such craft would gain
their own propellant from the atmosphere by suction and expulsion?

On June 26, 1953, an intensely luminous flying object
majestically crossed the night sky of Albacete, Spain, at an
altitude of 60 miles.

In Britain, scientific papers produced by members of the 'T'
teams showed suggestive titles such as 'Boundary Layer Flow Over a
Permeable Surface Through Which Suction is Applied' (J.H.
Preston), 'The Aerodynamics of Porous Sheets' by G.J. Taylor, and
Pankhurst's Aerofoil Catalogue.

In 1959, aeronautical engineer N.S. Currey wrote: 'Canada
today must be counted among the most advanced aeronautical powers
in the world', and added cautiously, 'This refers above all to the
field of jet propulsion.'

The Canadian Department of Mines and the Technical Surveys
Mapping Branch reserved a vast area - 125,000 square miles - for
production of experimental aircraft. This was one of the
decisions reached by the committees of the Commonwealth Conference
on Aeronautical Research. This desolate, heavily woooded and
mountainous region between British Columbia and Alberta, with the
Peace River district as it's Northern frontier and Washington
State to the South, was an ideal location - few and easily
controlled roads, few settlements, few railroads, but good
communications in the north and the south via the trunk line from
Prince George to Edmonton and that from Vancouver to the United
States border, and only one major highway, to Alaska.

Britain already had considerable wartime experiance in this
sort of enterprise. In 1942, at the height of the German raids,
the RAF had set up five secret airports in the very heart of the
New Forest, in Hampshire.

The big thing about these installations was the fact that
they included complete industrial plants, decentralizing major
groups essential for war production. They were called 'shade
workshops.' The Germans, too, had much experience in this field.
One of their major plants at Volkenrode resisted all attempts at
aerial identification throughout the war.

Neither the British nor the Americans, on an official level,
saw eye to eye in scientific matters at the close of the war
against Germany and afterward.

The United States' refusal to share atomic secrets with
Britain was never quite forgotten in Whitehall, and Britain set
out to prove, with Canada, that she was well able to produce her
own fission bomb. If Congress steadfastly accused the British of
giving little or nothing in return for information, the British
felt they had been mistrusted and severely neglected. They
preferred to go ahead with their plans in Canada.

The fact that the area has been photographed again and again
by high altitude reconnaissance planes, both U.S. and Russian,
does not perturb the Canadian or British authorities. The plants
and saucer ports are underground, hidden in primeval forests of

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The question immediately arises: Why have not Britain and
Canada made such craft available to their other partners in the
North Atlantic Treaty Organization?

I (Vesco) believe there may be many answers to such a
question, but one of the main points is this: Lack of confidence
and fear of being exploited remain rife among the nations, as they
are among people. And why should not Britain and her Commonwealth
partner retain one major trump card which, one day, may become
invaluable? The pooling of scientific secrets is rarely entirely

All the evidence, all the knowhow of British scientists
before and during the last war, combined with the astounding
progress in propulsion and the discoveries in suction aircraft of
the Germans, based on 18 years of research into the most secret
documents of the past war, have convinced me of one thing :

The flying saucers do not come from space.
They come from a few hundred miles outside the United States.
They mean no harm, and Washington knows this.
Hence the long standing order to all U.S. Air Force pilots:
Intercept--but do not fire upon."

This article, which appeared in Argosy Magazine in August,
1969, is reprinted above in it's entirety. It is important
because it is one of the few reports that goes into detail about
the revolutionary technical advancements made by the Nazi's in the
field of aeronautical research.

Unfortunately, Vesco doesn't offer any real substantiation
for the existence of the Kugelblitz, which is the crux of his
subject. However, in his book "Intercept, UFO," he tells us that
the Kugelblitz was indeed tested some time in February, 1945 over
the great underground complex at Kahla, in Thuringia. Both the
Kugelblitz and the Feurball were then destroyed by the retreating

So, could this story be considered fact? We have to take into
consideration a number of issues. First and foremost, there is
the Nazi's. Could they have been developing craft of such

History has it that not only were they at war, which required
much in the way of manpower, but they took on incredible projects
such as constructing huge underground complexes at Nordhausen in
the Harz mountains, Pennemunde and others. They also had their
Naval Vessals provide support for a very detailed study of the
Antartic in which they were alleged to have been building
underground bases there as well.

General Heinrich Himmler, the Reichsfuhrer as his S.S. men
would call him, was quite frankly, a madman. He believed in
obediance, controlled breeding and vivisection of humans. He
believed in biological mutation and what could be produced with
it. He used the slaves for his work force, as well as specimens
for research.

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Let's discuss this possibility more in the message boards in
Paranet and the UFO echos. I am starting to get quite tired of
the theory that UFO's and related matters, are extraterrestrial.

It is being shoved down our throats by figures like "Falcon"
and "Condor" as well as articles in Paranet like MUGGER.DOC and
PICNIC2.DOC. As a matter of fact, that is about all I hear
anymore. It seems that since we want to hear about EBE's, the
so-called, Intelligence Community, is giving us just what we want
to hear.

I call on each and every person in the UFO community to
research, in depth, HUMAN history. In particular, great scientists
such as, Tesla and his experiments; Einstein's theories; Germany's
secret weapons of the Second World War by R. Lusar; the
Philadelphia Exp eriment; Admiral Byrd's Project Highjump; books
and periodicals about Nazi Germany and their interest in
Antartica; then tell me that the possibility of technology (Earth
Technology) could not possibly exist that could explain UFO's and
the reason why it is above top secret.


This above fascinating document was obtained from Paranet
and courteously furnished to Vangard by A.J. McDonald.


Vangard Sciences includes the following material to assist
in further research and understanding of this phenomenon.

There is much available material which can be related
to the above referrences to the Kugleblitz.

Among these, we can include plasma/ion field drive systems as
developed from the Searle disc, the implosion/impansion effect of
Viktor Schauberger, the German secret weapon referred to as the
"whirlwind cannon", Tesla's "Mechanical Oscillator" and additional
UFO reports over the past two decades.

We will deal with these individually in order to delineate a
specific relationship for those who might not be familiar with
such topics.


Plasm/ion field drive systems

Many sightings, especially those at night, report glowing or
lighted objects which move at high speed. The Searle effect was
produced by the spinning of a metal disc at very high speed which
levitated momentarily, then took off under its' own power. The
principle is directly related to the Biefeld/Brown effect and
electrostatic replusion. Voltages beginning at 50 KV and up when
applied to two plates acting as capacitors will produce a thrust
away from the planet. This thrust is due to an attractive force

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from the positive plate and a repellent force from the negative.
If the force is of sufficient electrical potential, a plasma
(cloud of ionized gases) will be formed.

In the Searle case, it was believed that "free electrons"
were centrifugally thrown towards the outside rim to accumulate
the necessary potential for the lift.

The mention of the klystron in the early "Foo fighters" is
again interesting in that it provides a clue to a superior means
of creating the plasma levitation field locally. Klystrons and
magnetrons are used in microwave ovens to generate the intense,
focussed local microwave field for cooking. This indicates that
application to an appropriate surface at a specific frequency,
might excite the surrounding air sufficiently to generate the



Viktor Schauberger discovered that all Nature operates with a
dual principle, centripetence and centrifugence. Centripetence
was called by Schauberger "Implosion or Impansion" to indicate a
vortex action which condensed and cooled in the process.
Experiments carried out by Schauberger included a levitating
effect which could be acheived with the use of water or air.
There are reports that during WWII, Schauberger actually assisted
in the construction of a levitation craft under orders of the
German military.

From "German Weapons and Secret Weapons of the 2nd WW and their
Further Development" by Rudolf Lusar :

"The development, (relating to flying saucers) which had cost
millions, was almost complete by the end of the war. No
doubt the existing models were destroyed, although the plant
in Breslau, where Miethe worked, fell into the hands of the
Russians, who removed all the material and technical
personnel to Siberia, where further work on these "flying
saucers" has been carried on with much success. Schriever
just managed to get out of Prague in time, Habermohl, on the
other hand, must be in the Soviet Union.

The former German designer Miethe is in the USA and, as far
as can be determined, is designing "flying saucers" for A.V.
Roe & Co. The machines, which have been observed to date,
have diameters in the order of 16, 42, 45 and 75 metres and
they are supposed to develop a speed of up to 7,000 km/hour.

Already in 1952 "flying saucers" had been indisputably
recognised over Korea and according to press reports, were
also observed and reported during NATO manoeuvres in Alsace
in the spring of 1954."

In a letter written by Schauberger to a friend, he gives further
information from his direct experience with the German military :

"The "flying saucer" which was flight-tested on the 19th
February 1945 near Prague and which attained a height of

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15,000 metres in 3 minutes and a horizontal speed of 2,200
km/hours, was constructed according to a Model 1 built at
Mauthausen concentration camp in collaboration with the
first-class engineers and stress-analysts ASSIGNED TO ME from
the prisoners there.

It was only after the end of the war that I came to hear,
through one of the workers UNDER MY DIRECTION, a Czech, THAT
was no answer to my enquiry.

From what I understand, just before the end of the war, the
orders. That's the last I heard of it.

In this affair, several armament specialists were also
involved who appeared at the works in Prague, shortly before
my return to Vienna, and asked that I DEMONSTRATE the
fundamental basis of it: The CREATION OF AN ATOMIC LOW-

This principle is without doubt to my mind, the "suction
craft" referred in the previous Vesco article.


The "Whirlwind Cannon"

There are reports of another fantastic secret weapon which
was constructed and used during WWII. This weapon was said to use
air as its "bullet" and could knock down a brick wall at a range
of several miles. On the KeelyNet board (214) 324-3501, there is
a file VORTXGUN.ZIP (or .ASC if using a non-IBM system) which
gives a short description of work done in the US on vortex
principles. Personal discussions I have had with various informed
researchers indicates that a plasma weapon using vortex principles
is currently in research if not already here.


Tesla's Mechanical Oscillator

Another device invented by Tesla was the Mechanical
Oscillator which compressed air until the oxygen became a liquid.
It was built in the form of an air cylinder and contained several
chambers, each of which successively cools the air until it
becomes liquid. Tesla stated that the device was highly efficient
and could be used as a power generating system if magnets were
attached to the oscillating pistons.

Refer to the above comments about "oxygen recycle system" and
'important experiments made with LIQUID OXYGEN for new turbine
engines capable of developing extraordinary power.'


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UFO Reports

Speed measurements of UFO's made with the use of radar have
been reported up to 5,000 MPH. Others move so fast that speeds
can only be calculated by using time over distance between related
sightings indicates speeds up to 12,000 MPH.

Glowing spheres, cylinders and lens-shaped objects (most
frequent) are the forms which UFO's tend to take. The use of
Plasma as a propulsion method would obviates aerodynamic
requirements up to certain speeds since the plasma would cut
through the atmosphere like a hot knife through butter.

However, above certain critical speeds, dependent on the
shape of the craft, the plasma would not fully protect against
wind resistance. This would justify the use of the "frisbee" lens
shape most commonly seen. In addition, gyroscopic stabilization
would further assist navigation.


As you can see, the Vesco article opens many cans of worms.

If the Germans combined the Schauberger Implosion principle
(vortex "whirlwind") with the grisou (fire damp gas) and added the
Klystron exciter for the plasma drive system, then the Kugleblitz
is indeed possible.

In addition, another type of drive could be achieved by using
Tesla principles (available years before WWII) for such Tesla
turbines driven by liquid oxygen produced by Tesla Mechanical


We of Vangard Sciences (214) 324-8741 and KeelyNet wish to thank
Mr. Al Pinto and Mr. A.J. McDonald for bringing this information
to our attention that we may contribute and pass it along.

If we can be of service, please contact at the above address,
phone or BBS number. Thank you.

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