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Bob Lazar
Claims to have worked with alien craft
at "Area S-4" in Nevada
Analysis by Glenn Campbell
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Lazar offers an interesting, intelligent, unverifiable story surrounded by
lies....
Bob Lazar claims to have worked with alien spacecraft at a secret U.S.
Government facility at Papoose Lake, about 80 miles north of Las Vegas.
Lazar intially made his claims on a local Las Vegas television station in
Nov. 1989. He says he worked at a facility called "Area S-4" at Papoose Dry
Lake, south of the known government air base at Area 51, in late 1988 and
early 1989. There he says he saw nine flying saucers housed in hangars built
into a hillside. Lazar says he had hands-on experience with one of the craft
and he can describe its propulsion system in detail. Lazar says he read
briefing papers about the alien presence but that he saw no aliens himself
(aside from a fleeting glimpse of a small figure through a window at the
facility).
The core story is, almost by definition, unverifiable, since no one can go
to Papoose Lake to check it out. The only thing we can investigate are the
claims that surround it. If Lazar does not tell the truth about the things
we can verify, how can we trust the things we can't verify?
Lazar has lied about his educational credentials and his position at Los
Alamos. He claims that his records have vanished and that the government has
turned him into a "non-person", but there are no specific records that can't
be accounted for. Only his educational records are missing, which plainly
never existed to begin with. All evidence indicates that Lazar worked at Los
Alamos as a repair technician, not as a senior scientist as he claimed.
There is also no evidence that Lazar has ever visited Area 51, which unlike
the S-4 claim, can at least be checked out "off the record" through former
Area 51 workers. Lazar says he travelled to "S-4" by way of Area 51 on daily
737 flights that hundreds of other workers take. Although he says that Area
51 was only a transfer point for him, he has been unable describe the
arrivals area or what you see when you first get off the plane.
The simplest theory to explain the Lazar story is that it is completely
false and that he concocted it initally to fool John Lear, who had been
telling extravagant aliens-at-Area-51 stories for a couple of years before
Lazar arrived. Lazar could have simply fed back to Lear a more rational
version of what Lear wanted to hear. Other more complex theories say that
Lazar is recounting a real flying saucer experience that actually took place
elsewhere or in different circumstances, or that he is a dupe or willing
participant in some complicated U.S. Government or foreign government plan.
(For example, it could have been attempt by the Soviets to probe or disrupt
activities at Area 51. Is so, this would not have been the most convoluted
deception of the Cold War.) Motivation for the fraud remains murky, as Lazar
and his primary supporter Gene Huff have ignored or sabotaged many
opportunities for financial gain from the story. (Although movie options and
the saucer model kit have made the story profitable for him, Lazar seems
disinterested in pursuing deals.) Thanks to Huff's aggressive attacks on
anyone who questions the story, it is hard to find many Lazar supporters
left in the UFO community, even among those who want desperately to believe.
All lies and mismanagement aside, Lazar's is a fascinating tale, compelling
even as fiction. Its restraint and long-term internal consistancy remain
impressive. Lazar's straightforward explanations of his experiences, his
healthy skepticism of other UFO claims and his early willingness to submit
to hypnosis and a polygraph test remain intriguing. (The test was
inconclusive, and the professional hypnotist believes Lazar's emotional
responses to his recalled S-4 experiences were not faked.) Ultimately,
Lazar's claims have prompted the world to ask, "What is out there at Area
51?"
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Profile
Note: These links are not actively maintained. See Lazar Links Page for new
additions.
Official Lazar Web Site
Campbell's Lazar Theory #1: Fraud for Bigelow Funding, and responses by
Lazar camp.
Mahood's Bob Lazar Corner, including the flaws in the story
Mahood's Lazar Timeline
Interview with a co-worker, who knew Lazar at Los Alamos.
Contact. Note: Lazar has shown little interest in responding to UFO
researchers and enthusiasts. Most mail is not answered.
Mail: c/o Tri-Dot Productions, 1324 S. Eastern, Las Vegas, NV 89104
Searches
Altavista Newsgroup Search for "Lazar"
Lycos search for Lazar.
Major Works
The Lazar Tape, a video tape by Lazar and Gene Huff in which he discusses
his alleged experiences at Papoose Lake and the propulsion systems of flying
saucers. [ Ordering Information.]
Transcripts
An account of his appearance on UFOs: The Best Evidence, the original 1989
Las Vegas TV news reports by George Knapp. (45k)
Interview on the Billy Goodman radio program, Nov. 21, 1989. (59k)
Interview on the Billy Goodman radio program, Dec. 20, 1989. (78K)
Transcript for Lazar interview on On the Record. Interviewed by George Knapp,
KLAS-TV/Las Vegas, 12/9/89
Lazar at the "Ultimate UFO Seminar," Rachel, NV, May 1, 1993
Full Transcript of Appearance(120k)
Transcript of interview prior to main appearance, from MUFON UFO Journal
"The Word of Bob," A compendium of quotes and transcripts from Lazar
regarding technical aspects of saucer operation, assembled by Tom Mahood.
Sources include Knapp's On the Record, The Lazar Tape and several other
sources not given above.(37k)
References
Articles
Lazar's Jet-Car Story, reported in Los Alamos Monitor, June 27, 1982 (8k)
Lazar's Pyrotechnic Extravaganza, reported in Wired Magazine, Dec. 1994
(14k+pix)
"Lazar as a Fictional Character", article by Glenn Campbell in MUFON UFO
Journal, Feb. 1994. Analysis of the Lazar story. (21k)
"MJ-12 Scientist Goes Public: A former Department of Naval Intelligence
Scientist discusses our government's most highly classified subject", by
Mark Hines.
Exchanges
Hular
Gene Huff Responds to "Lazar As Fiction".
Contentious newsgroup exchange between Lear, Huff and Mahood regarding Zeta
Reticuli Corp and other topics. (1/25/96-2/6/96)
Photos
Lazar* (Gif at Rutger's FTP, 235k)
Lazar in jet car. (72K)
Lazar on motorcycle at Desert Blast. (77K)]
Lazar at Desert Blast '94.
Synopses and Investigations
Gene Huff's Lazar Synopsis, Mar. 12, 1995 (55k)
The Lazar Timeline*, a chronical of his life assembled from public records.
(27k) by Tom Mahood.
Tom Mahood's Lazar Corner.
An Attempt to Locate Lazar's MIT and Cal-Tech professors (22k) by Glenn
Campbell
Gene Huff provides text of offers from Dept. of Defense's Small Business
Innovative Research Project in support of Lazar. 7/21/95
Internet Resources.
S-4 web page The "official" web page of Tri Dot Productions (owned by Lazar).
Mentioned in "What's New" for 11/08/96.
Immediately threatened with lawsuit for "What's New" mention.
Frequently Asked Questions About Bob Lazar*, by Dave Schmitz
IUFOG Lazar Page*
UFO Guide on Lazar*. Compiled by Nick Humphries.
Brother Bob: A rather "different" view of Lazar from Density4.
KLAS-TV, Channel 8*. Las Vegas station that first publicized Lazar's claims.
Researchers: These people have looked into the Lazar story and conducted
original research.
George Knapp. Believes Lazar
Stanton Friedman. Says Lazar is a fraud
Jacques Vallee Doubts Lazar
Bob Oechsler
Glenn Campbell
Tom Mahood
Associates These people are associates of Lazar or knew him prior to his
public S-4 claims.
John Lear. Met Lazar prior to S-4 claims.
Gene Huff. Co-producer of Lazar Tape.
Jim Goodall. Met Lazar at Lear's house prior to claims.
Jim Tagliani. Worked with Lazar at Fairchild Electronics.
John Andrews. Designed plastic model based on Lazar's description.
Dennis Mariani(?). Alleged co-worker of Lazar at S-4.
Edward Teller. Lazar suggests that Teller may have helped get him the S-4
job.
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Criticism
Lazar's story does demonstrate a good understanding of the Nellis Range and
how it operates, but this information could have been obtained from Jim
Tagliani and other workers doing routine classified work on the range. There
is an unconfirmed report that Lazar worked briefly for a contractor, Arcada
Associates, operating mock anti-aircraft sites (Smoky Sams) on the range,
and this would have given him a basic understanding of range operations and
where to locate his fictional "S-4" installation. Lazar could have known
that, because of the heavy secrecy here, his claims could never be disproven.
(Reminiscent of the bogus Howard Hughes biography that surfaced when Hughes
was in seclusion.) "Area S-4" could have been a corruption of "Site 4," a
secret but fairly routine radar testing installation located between Groom
Lake and the Tonopah Test Range. (It seems doubtful there would be both a
"Site 4" and an "S-4" on the range, and Site 4 definitely exists.)
Furthermore, the time-frame of Lazar's alleged UFO experience seems
unrealistically compressed. He is supposed to have gained all his experience
in only a few visits to the site between November 1988 and April 1989. Those
familiar with classified government programs say such a rapid exposure to a
top secret project is highly unlikely.
Response
Believers say that although some of Lazar's claims may be false, it
does not mean they all are. They are impressed by the internal consistancy
of the story itself and his relatively good performance on a polygraph test
(although still inconclusive). Although Lazar's rapid involvement in the
program might seem irregular, normal security might have been bypassed in
this case due to a recommendation by Edward Teller, a prominent figure in
secret government projects.
Unresolved Questions
If Lazar is a fraud, what was the original motivation? Did he do it for
money or for some other purpose? Did he come up with the story on his own or
with the help of others? Are there any pieces of truth in the story, or is
it entirely fabricated?
The public still does not have any information on what, if anything, is
going on a Papoose Lake. Although satellite photos show no obvious
installations, no one without a security clearance has ever been allowed to
visit. Anecdotes from former workers are equally divided about whether there
are or are not any hidden installations there.
Other Lazar Claims
Although Lazar cannot describe even the arrival area at the Groom Lake base,
he claims to have heard the Aurora there. (A theorized high speed
reconnaisance aircraft.)
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Personal Facts
Lazar is in his late-30s (He says he was born 1959.) and lives in Las Vegas.
He says he makes his living through several small businesses including a
photo studio and a company that repairs radiation monitors. Lazar has also
earned income from movie options (for movies of his story that were never
made), his video tape and a Testors plastic flying saucer model based on his
account. (It is one of the best selling plastic models of all time and it
could be worth a lot to Lazar if he received a per-item royalty.) Lazar has
routinely turned down paid speaking engagements but has been paid for
television interviews.
In the mid-1980s, prior to coming to Las Vegas, Lazar worked at Los Alamos
National Laboratories, although some of the details of his employment are
still unclear. (There is nothing to indicate a senior position as he claims.)
He claims to have earned master's degrees at MIT and Cal-Tech, but these
claims are unproven to say the least, and the professors he says he took
classes with at these schools never existed there.
Lazar grew up on Long Island, NY, and graduated from High School in Westbury,
NY, in 1976. He is known to have worked at Fairchild Electronics in the Los
Angeles area in the early 1980s and then at Los Alamos. Also in Los Alamos,
Lazar owned a one-hour photo shop.
Educational credentials aside, Lazar is certainly a highly capable
technician in the area of explosives and propulsion systems. As hobbies, he
owns a high-speed jet car and builds his own elaborate fireworks, which are
displayed in an annual invitation-only fireworks show called Desert Blast.
In 1990, Lazar plead guilty to a pandering charge relating to the operation
of an illegal brothel in Las Vegas. It was claimed in the formal charges
that Lazar was a partner in the brothel and that he had installed a hidden
video system in one apartment to photograph the business in the adjoining
one. (This at least suggests that he is capable of exploiting others.)
Around 1986, Lazar filed from bankruptcy protection in Las Vegas Federal
Bankruptcy Court. The records for both cases are available to the public and
yield extensive details about Lazar's background. As part of his sentencing
on the pandering charge, a probation report was prepared. In this report,
enforced by purjury laws, Lazar did not repeat his MIT and Cal-Tech claims.
In interviews, Lazar comes across as a reluctant witness who would rather
avoid the limelight and who wishes the story would go away. He seems highly
rational and does not expand his claims beyond those originally reported. In
most regards, Lazar seems passive and disinterested in his own story and
seems content to let Gene Huff handle most public interface. Lazar seems to
have nothing to sell, and has never actively promoted his story. (Through
his Tri-Dot company, he sells a video and poster, but he has never promoted
them in his interviews.) He says he regards mosts UFO buffs as "nuts" and
wants nothing to do with them (Gene Huff and John Lear aside).
Lazar offers few personal relationships to triangulate from. Lazar's father,
although identified in Lazar's bankruptcy papers, has never spoken
publically about his claims, Only one Lazar friend, Jim Tagliani, claims
publically to have worked with Lazar prior to his arrival in Las Vegas. (They
both worked at Fairchild Electronics in Southern California.) When queried
about whether or not he believes Lazar, Tagliani just seems to shrug his
shoulders. The three most active supporters of Lazar are Gene Huff, John
Lear and George Knapp, the newsman who first publicized Lazar's claims. Each
has already invested his reputation in the story. John Andrews, the designer
of the saucer model, and stealth aircraft historian Jim Goodall both believe
Lazar but have never actively defended him. Former astronaut Edgar Mitchell
has visited Lazar; he says he thinks Lazar's experience was real but that he
is misinterpreting some of the technical details. (Mitchell supports the
theories of Hal Puthoff which conflict with the propulsion system Lazar
describes.) Most others who are close to Lazar seem to respond as Tagliani
does, apart from Gene Huff, who is an active supporter.
Former co-workers at Los Alamos confirm that Lazar worked for a contractor
there but seem highly skeptical of his later S-4 claims. They assert that he
never held any high-level position at Los Alamos.
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