What the Physicist saw:

The General frowned as he examined the accident report. Three men dead and an underground lab destroyed. This was a setback, but things were under control. The explosion had been explained away and cover stories were being fabricated to handle the disappearances of the men. The General's main concern was to get back on schedule. For that he would need a replacement physicist, fast...

If the claims of Robert Lazar are true, the above represents how he came to be involved in one of the most secret, and bizarre, operations of the United States government.

In November of 1989 Robert Scott Lazar gave a series of interviews to George Knapp on KLAS-TV in Las Vegas. Lazar claimed that while employed as a physicist by the U.S. government, he had worked on a super-secret project located in the restricted Nellis Range near Rachel, Nevada just south of the famous "Area 51." At a hidden base there, referred to as "S4," Lazar had been employed to "reverse-engineer" a disc-shaped flying machine. The machine, which Lazar refers to as the "sport" model, was one of nine (each of a different design) parked in interconnecting hangers at S4.

Based on the technology, the size of the seats in the craft, and material he had read at the base, Lazar said he believed the machines had not been built on Earth and represented some kind of alien science. He never learned how they had been "recovered," nor did he clearly see any extraterrestrial beings at the base.

According to Lazar, he saw the "sport" model demonstrated during a night test. The craft, which measured some 35 feet in diameter, lifted and hovered while its belly glowed blue. The machine used a propulsion system that amplified gravitational waves. One of Lazar's chief contributions to the project was to determine how the engine used "ununpentium," a super heavy metal with the atomic number of 115, to generate the gravitational waves.

During one night test, says Lazar, he took friends out to a location that overlooked the base. Using a telescope they were able to observe a distant glowing object flying in a peculiar pattern.

Lazar said he got the job at S4 through Edward Teller, famous physicist and "father of the H-bomb." Lazar left S4 after only working there a few months when he discovered his birth certificate had disappeared from public records. Fearing the government was going to erase his identity and perhaps kill him after he'd served their purpose, Lazar went public with the series of television broadcasts.

So what do we make of his story? Does the U.S. government really own extra-terrestrial flying saucers? Or is Lazar being less than truthful? Or is there some other reasonable explanation for his tale?

Even some of Lazar's critics admit that he "seems so believable." Despite this they have gathered a sizable pile of facts and records that undermines Lazar's story. Lazar's supporters have built a wall of defensive counter-arguments, and for years the veracity of his story has been debated at the "alt.conspiracy.area51" newsgroup on the internet.

Since the reported location of the S4 base is in a restricted area, it is impossible for anyone outside of the government to directly visit the place and confirm or deny Lazar's story. Therefore most of the debate has centered on Lazar's life and credentials as a scientist before 1989.

Even one of Lazar's staunchest supporters, Gene Huff, has admitted that the incident that first spooked Lazar, the missing birth certificate, was a misunderstanding. Lazar was adopted as a child, and this made his birth certificate more difficult to obtain than normal. Eventually he did get one.

According to Lazar he attended both MIT and Cal Tech, receiving a Master's degree from each. At MIT he studied physics, at Cal Tech electronic technology. Later he worked as a physicist at Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL).

Investigators checking at both MIT and Cal Tech could find no record of his attendance. Lazar's supporters argue that this is the result of the government plot to erase Lazar's records and discredit him. Lazar failed, though, to produce witnesses, such as professors and student advisors, that remembered him. Researchers have checked student directories, degree lists and alumni records and Lazar's name was not found. Some of these records, maintained on micro film and at scattered locations, would seem to be difficult, if not impossible, to tamper with.

No record was found of Lazar's employment at Los Alamos National Laboratory, either, but his supporters have produced a phone book from the lab in 1982 that lists his name. Critics of Lazar note that the phone book covered not just LANL, but also the Department of Energy and various private vendors. The phone book designation indicates he worked for a vendor at LANL, but not for the Laboratory itself. A former friend of Lazar's, who knew him while he lived near LANL, contends while he was there he was employed only a technician, not a physicist, as Lazar later claimed.

In a newspaper article from that period about a jet car Lazar owned, he is refered to as "...a physicist at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility." This seems to support Lazar contention that he was employed there, but his critics point out the reporter undoubtedly took Lazar's own word for his profession and employer.

George Knapp, the TV reporter who originally broke the Lazar story, was impressed by how well Lazar knew the Los Alamos National Laboratory. He also compared Lazar's story about his experiences at Area 51 (the secret base where Lazar boarded a bus to go onto the super secret S4 location) with accounts of people known to have been employed at area 51. Lazar seemed to know quite a bit of mundane information about the place, including details on how you paid for your lunch at the local commissary.

One of the strongest evidences for Lazar's story comes from friends whom he took out near the NTS to observe the "sport" model tests. Somehow Lazar knew something would be visible that night. How could he if he didn't work there?

Also, there's the question of a polygraph test (lie detector) Lazar took to prove his claims. Unfortunately, administering and interpreting a polygraph test is as much an art as a science and the results can be inconclusive and occasionally wrong. Lazar did well on the test, but the administrator couldn't say for sure that Lazar was being completely truthful.

What about the science Lazar describes behind the alien flying saucer technology? Does it check out? Most professional physicists dismiss his description of how an alien anti-gravity drive might work. Lazar supporters state that scientists do not understand gravity as well they think they do, and as they learn more they will see that Lazar's alien technology really does work.

The above is just a fraction of the arguments raised to support or detract from Lazar's story. How do we know which side is right?

Lazar's story is almost impossible to prove, or disprove. Why? Because part of the story predicts that efforts will be made to tamper or destroy evidence that might support Lazar's case. Therefore it isn't surprising that no evidence is found. Also any evidence that is found that denies the story's legitimacy can be said to be planted.

In this situation it may be necessary to employ one of the late Carl Sagan's favorite rules: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." Lazar's claims are indeed extraordinary, but his story, though well told and surprisingly consistent, has little proof associated with it. Until more proof is offered, and perhaps this means another S4 scientist going public, neither the scientific community or the general public is likely to give his tale much credence.

For those who want more information about the Robert Lazar story, check the sites below. You can also purchase a model of Lazar's "sport" disc from the Testor Corporation.

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Jarod's Simulator

As reported in DR#24, we know a retired engineer who claims to have worked for over 30 years on a project to build flight simulators for human reproductions of alien spacecraft. As he explains it, when any kind of aircraft is in development, a flight simulator is built in parallel with it to train pilots and test systems. Jarod 2 defines a simulator as something that "simulates an actual device or craft to enable the operator to reproduce conditions or phenomena likely to occur in actual performance." The simulator he worked on just happened to be a reproduction of a flying saucer, identical in appearance to the actual craft except that the simulator was attached to the ground through a gimbaled base. Our source believes, without question, that the actual craft, although built by humans, is based on extraterrestrial technology.

The following is our condensation of what Jarod has relayed to us over the course of many conversations. He has reviewed this summary before publication and says it is accurate.

In the 1940s and early 1950s, several flying saucers crashed in the southwestern U.S.--why or how isn't clear. The American military recovered hardware, dead aliens and even a few live ones. Through these first "emissaries," communication was eventually established between us and them. We entered into some form of trade with the aliens. Maybe they had a genuine need for some earthly materials, or maybe this trade was just an excuse to build a relationship--by communicating with the earthlings in their own primitive economic terms. In any case, "The Boys" gave us some of their technology, which we sought to reproduce in a secret saucer program of our own.

This was a very long-term project that started in the mid-50s, shortly before Jarod joined it. The organization was heavily compartmentalized, and Jarod knows only as much as he needed to know to do his job. Working on such an exotic technology, the workers had to know at least the basics of where it came from. Briefings over the years confirmed that the technology was indeed extraterrestrial. Jarod and his co-workers were told about the early contacts between the aliens and our military [DR#24], but they were not told about the alien agenda or what was happening at present. All of the U.S. government's UFO information had been isolated in an organization that Jarod calls the "Satellite Government." Once employed by this agency, he says, you are employed for life. Jarod worked with the same design team for over 30 years, and apart from death and retirement, there was very little turnover. Security restrictions were oppressive, but Jarod was always happy with his job and worked well within his group, which was concerned with the mechanical design of certain components of the simulator.

Like other engineers, Jarod spent most of his time in a drafting room. This was a typical design office without partitions that he shared with the other members of his group. Unlike other engineers, though, Jarod could not communicate directly with his counterparts in any other discipline, due to security requirements. When he was designing a component for the simulator, he could not talk to the person who was working on the same component in the real craft. If there was a question, it had to be passed first to his boss, who conveyed it to the leader of the other group who passed it down to the appropriate individual. A time delay in the movements of documents and hardware indicated that the design for the operational craft was conducted at a facility elsewhere. Other inferences could be made about the real craft from the feedback received, but Jarod played no role in that craft's design or construction. Nonetheless, Jarod believes that the simulator is an accurate reproduction of the actual craft.

Only occasionally would Jarod and his group visit the simulator, which was housed in a separate building at the same facility. They might spend a couple of hours fitting a component and then leave. It was on these visits to the simulator that Jarod 2, the human engineer, occasionally saw Jarod 1, a gray alien who was serving as a technical advisor to the program. Since the group had already been briefed on the presence of the aliens, the appearance of Jarod 1 in the simulator room seemed almost routine. He had the unmistakable hairless, expressionless head and wraparound eyes we have all seen drawings of, but this alien was dressed in human clothes. The shoes were different and the four-fingered hands were long and almost claw-like, but otherwise this could have been any other technician. Jarod 2 has great respect for Jarod 1, hence his choice of code names, but 1 and 2 never communicated with each other directly.

Jarod 2 has reasonable confidence in Bob Lazar's story of working with alien craft at Papoose Lake, south of Groom Lake. [More on Lazar.] In his workshop at home Jarod has taken Testor's flying saucer model kit, which is based on Lazar's description, and made some minor modifications to turn it into a model of the simulator he helped design. The main difference is that Jarod's saucer is taller to accommodate humans, while Lazar's was apparently intended only for the little guys. Jarod has increased the height of the Lazar model by separating the top and bottom halves with a cylindrical wall of plexiglas. Instead of the edges of the saucer ending in a sharp point, they now end in a flat vertical wall, which is about three feet high in the actual simulator. Jarod says that certain dimensions of the craft are critical, but the height is not. To reproduce the gimbaled mount which attaches the disc simulator to the ground, Jarod has taken the ball joint from a car's rear-view mirror, glued the mirror side into the bottom of the Testor's model and screwed the ball side into the top of a heavy trophy that he had once received from the Shriners for some volunteer work.

The simulator is entered through a close-fitting hatch in the side wall extending to part of the top shell. The inside is basically a big open space, divided by a floor one-third up from the base. In the middle of this deck is a "reactor" similar to the one Lazar describes, although Jarod does not know what goes on inside. (He suggests that the reactor assembly in the simulator may have been only a facsimile.) A pipe about six inches in diameter runs from the top of the reactor straight up through the center of the craft and through the roof, forming an "antenna" on top. Although it is out of his field, Jarod thinks that this pipe is important for keeping the craft upright while in flight. The 3-foot-high "turret" on the top of the craft, which Lazar describes as containing a closed deck that he was never allowed to see, is open in Jarod's model and contains some instrumentation which is accessible from the flight deck. Installed here is a celestial navigation system, which (in the operational craft) looks out through windows in the turret to measure positions of stars. This a common navigation system for missiles and aircraft, but it might be useful beyond the bounds of earth.

There is no real "front" or "back" to the craft. It can travel in any direction, and "front," for human convenience, is wherever you chose to put the flight deck. Jarod says that there are horizontal "poles," however, called north and south, and these poles play a role in how the craft makes turns. Inside, sectors of the craft are referred to by 360 degree bearings from north, like a compass rose. Jarod has referred to the craft as a small "planet" of its own with magnetic, electrical and gravity fields much like Earth's.

The flight deck on Jarod's craft occupies about one half (or 180 degrees) of the inner chamber. It is on a secondary deck raised above the main deck about 3 or 4 feet and accessed by a small, curving staircase. On the flight deck are three chairs, two in front as might be suitable for the pilot and co-pilot, and one at a desk in back of them, which might be envisioned as the navigator or observer. There are no windows for the pilot, only control panels resembling those found in a conventional aircraft. Having the flight deck on one side of the craft might seem to make it lopsided, much heavier on one side than the other, but this was of little concern, Jarod says. Center of gravity isn't important when you can control gravity itself.

Below the main deck are three vertical cylinders hanging on gimbaled mounts. Lazar refers to these as "gravity amplifiers," but Jarod does not know their function. Jarod says he designed these assemblies and the mounts that hold them, but on the simulator they are empty dummies needed only for appearances. They are capable of swinging up 60 degrees in any direction, which coincides with the angle that the entire simulator can pivot on its mount. A 60 degree angle is pretty extreme: When the craft dips over that far, one would expect that anyone sitting on the flight deck would not remain seated unless belted in, but Jarod emphasizes that there are no seat belts in this simulator.

In other words, in the simulator--not just in the operational craft--some sort of artificial gravity is maintained to keep the operators in their seats, and this internal gravity has nothing to do with the "gravity amplifiers" below deck. Being involved only in the mechanical design of the control panels, mounts and various housings that things are put into, Jarod does not know how the gravity system works, but he thinks that the floors and walls of the craft are more than just passive supports; they are a sophisticated system. Jarod describes the floor as a "collapsing grid" which repeatedly stores an electrical charge and then releases it. (This confuses us a bit, because Lazar also refers to a "collapsing grid" in his flying saucer poster, but only as a mechanical cover for a hatch on the floor.)

There are also banks of very sophisticated capacitors bolted to the main deck on either side of the reactor. There are six cylindrical capacitors altogether, three on either side of center, capable of storing an enormous electrical charge. Jarod equates them to the starter coil in an automobile, which builds up a high voltage to generate an arc in the spark plugs. It is unclear (to us) whether the capacitors are only in the simulator or in the operational craft as well.

Power for the simulator comes through cables entering the disk near the gimbaled base, where air conditioning ducts and data cables also enter. We have asked Jarod why the capacitors have to be on board the simulator: Why can't they be kept on the ground and their power output brought in through the umbilicals? Jarod thinks that, because of the enormous voltage involved, the capacitors have to be as close as possible to the place where the power is used. The output of the capacitors runs directly into the reactor (or reactor facsimile).

Along the outside perimeter of the craft, in the middle of the three-foot side walls, are a ring of embedded anodes, about 48 altogether. Each is a circle about 3" wide and protruding about 1/2" from the side of the craft. Jarod knows only that these generate some sort of electrical field around the edge of the simulator.

Most of the simulator, and probably also the operating craft, is constructed of a boron composite which is dull metallic in appearance but is both very light and extremely strong. An exception is the reactor assembly, which Jarod says is similar in appearance to iconel steel. The reactor was designed by another group and is bolted into a hole in the middle of the main deck. Otherwise, the simulator is composed of four 90-degree pie-shaped pieces which can be taken apart for shipping. After the simulator was finished, which took over two decades, it was indeed taken apart and hauled away, most likely to a secret Nevada facility.

The S4 Database (Pro-Lazar)

The Lazar Corner (Con-Lazar)

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