This is to follow up on Jerry's post regarding the Flying Platform device, 
and his comments regarding subtle energy detection.
I am in aggreement that to move forward, we must find ways to quantify, and 
repeatably measure these subtle energy fields/emanations.
It is all fine and well for some to be able to "feel" it or sense it 
directly, but if these energies are in fact connetced to our physical 
reality, then we ought to be able to detect them.  And since most seem to be 
linked in some way with EM phenomenon, we have lots of very sensitive 
electronic equipment and methods these days.
My own investigations of the Primary Energy, found a few anomalous physical 
effects, including unusual crystal growth; an apparent momentary push on a 
target mass; And an increase in the decay rate of some radioactive materials, 
when exposed to a subtle energy emanation from an inert gas beam generation 
system.
None of these are conclusive proofs as yet. And hence the need to study 
further with a properly funded and staffed facility, with individuals that 
have the right balance between critical, rational thought, and open 
mindedness.
Here are some interesting links of some clinical work in the area of sublte 
energy detection:
http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/tors/
The above page lists a whole bunch of other sites/pages with some relevance 
(possibly)
And the following page is more specific:
http://www.webcom.com/hrtmath/IHM/Research/SubtleEnergy.html
>>Institute of HeartMath Subtle Energy Research
Subtle energy is used in this context as Einstein used it, that is, to 
describe a type of energy that is at present not fully understood or 
measurable with today's equipment. This is similar to how electromagnetism 
was viewed only 250 years ago. The effects could be seen but not directly 
measured.
The vision of the research team and the results of the studies we have 
conducted so far have attracted eminent scientists involved in cutting-edge 
human energy research. For example, Dr. William A. Tiller, Professor Emeritus 
of Stanford University and a pioneering researcher of subtle energy, will be 
on the IHM research team as they conduct their ground-breaking studies. Dr. 
Vladimir Poponin, formerly of the Institute of Biochemical Physics of the 
Russian Academy of Sciences and a co-discoverer of the DNA phantom effect, 
has also joined the IHM research team. 
For related research that researchers at IHM want to continue, Dr. William A. 
Tiller and his colleagues at Stanford University developed a subtle energy 
detector -- an ultra-sensitive Geiger counter-type device -- with which they 
demonstrated the existence of an energy field that is not in the 
electromagnetic spectrum. With this special detector, Dr. Tiller demonstrated 
that this subtle energy field responds to intentional human focus. The 
combination of the instrument that detects the DNA phantom effect and the 
ultra-sensitive gas discharge detector represent two of the most advanced 
technologies known for the scientific study of subtle energy. 
Much of the basic research and the proof that these are workable technologies 
has already been completed. These instruments will provide the tools for 
careful study of subtle energy that will greatly advance our understanding of 
ourselves and the world we live in. IHM is also designing and planning to 
conduct experiments with a number of other types of detectors as well. A 
number of studies conducted at IHM have demonstrated the effects of subtle 
energies on changes in the conformational states of DNA and the structure of 
water. (References for the published aspects of this work is provided at the 
end of this section). 
<<
And further the phantom DNA effect:
http://www.webcom.com/hrtmath/IHM/ResearchPapers/DNAPhantom/DNAPhantom.html
>>This new phenomenon -- the DNA phantom effect -- was first observed in 
Moscow at the Russian Academy of Sciences as a surprise effect during 
experiments measuring the vibrational modes of DNA in solution using a 
sophisticated and expensive "MALVERN" laser photon correlation spectrometer 
(LPCS) [5]. These effects were analyzed and interpreted by Gariaev and 
Poponin [6].
The new feature that makes this discovery distinctly different from many 
other previously undertaken attempts to measure and identify subtle energy 
fields [1] is that the field of the DNA phantom has the ability to be coupled 
to conventional electromagnetic fields of laser radiation and as a 
consequence, it can be reliably detected and positively identified using 
standard optical techniques.
Furthermore, it seems very plausible that the DNA phantom effect is an 
example of subtle energy manifestation in which direct human influence is not 
involved. These experimental data provide us not only quantitative data 
concerning the coupling constant between the DNA phantom field and the 
electromagnetic field of the laser light but also provides qualitative and 
quantitative information about the nonlinear dynamics of the phantom DNA 
fields. Note that both types of data are crucial for the development of a new 
unified nonlinear quantum field theory which must include the physical theory 
of consciousness and should be based on a precise quantitative background.
Results:
.........After duplicating this many times and checking the equipment in every 
conceivable way, we were forced to accept the working hypothesis that some 
new field structure is being excited from the physical vacuum. We termed this 
the DNA phantom in order to emphasize that its origin is related with the 
physical DNA. We have not yet observed this effect with other substances in 
the chamber. After the discovery of this effect we began a more rigorous and 
continuous study of this phenomena. We have found that, as long as the space 
in the scattering chamber is not disturbed, we are able to measure this 
effect for long periods of time. In several cases we have observed it for up 
to a month. It is important to emphasize that two conditions are necessary in 
order to observe the DNA phantoms. The first is the presence of the DNA 
molecule and the second is the exposure of the DNA to weak coherent laser 
radiation. This last condition has been shown to work with two different 
frequencies of laser radiation.
Perhaps the most important finding of these experiments is that they provide 
an opportunity to study the vacuum substructure on strictly scientific and 
quantitative grounds. This is possible due to the phantom field's intrinsic 
ability to couple with conventional electromagnetic fields. The value of the 
coupling constant between the DNA phantom field and the electromagnetic field 
of the laser radiation can be estimated from the intensity of scattered 
light. The first preliminary set of experiments carried out in Moscow and 
Stanford have allowed us to reliably detect the phantom effect; however, more 
measurements of the light scattering from the DNA phantom fields are 
necessary for a more precise determination of the value of the EMF-DNA 
phantom field coupling constant.
<<
And further this water effect is most intriguing:
http://www.webcom.com/hrtmath/IHM/Research/water.html
>>New Technology Provides Scientific Evidence of Water's Capacity to Store 
and Amplify Weak Electromagnetic and Subtle Energy Fields
The Memory of Water
Research has shown that water is a liquid crystal with a pliable lattice 
matrix that is capable of adopting many structural forms. The structure of 
water gives it an infinite capacity to store information within its matrix. A 
growing body of recent scientific evidence is now confirming traditional 
intuitive understandings of water's role as mediator between the energetic 
and material worlds and its function as an accumulator, transmitter and 
transducer of energy patterns and information. Much evidence points to 
water's ability to effectively memorize energy patterns with which it comes 
in contact and retain the energetic memory of vibrational frequncies for 
extended periods of time. Homeopathic medicine, for example, is based on 
water's capacity to store within its structural matrix the energetic imprint 
or vibrational signature of physical substances. 
....At the HeartMath Research Center, we have been investigating the energetic 
properties of the Marian waters and water treated by exposure to the coherent 
electromagnetic fields produced by the human heart. Our preliminary research 
has shown that there are measurable changes in these waters that have 
intriguing effects on various physical and chemical systems. 
Crystallization experiments:
The crystallization of substances from solution is a phenomenon that has 
proven extremely sensitive to subtle energetic influences. We have shown that 
solutions of sodium chloride, sodium chloride and albumin and cupric chloride 
to which a small quantity of the water of Mediugorje is added tend to 
crystallize in more finely divided, filamentary patterns than control 
solutions. These differences in crystallization patterns resemble those that 
have been observed in samples treated by healers' bioenergy and by magnetic 
fields.
Gold colloid test: 
This chemical reaction has previously been used as a detector of subtle 
energies, particularly the activation of water samples by healers' 
bioenergetic fields. The reaction is the reduction of gold trichloride 
(AuCl3) by formolin in aqueous solution made alkaline by sodium carbonate 
(Na2CO3). This reaction gives rise to metallic gold in colloid form. The 
color of the colloid (measurable spectrophotometrically) varies from red to 
blue depending on the presence or absence of activating subtle energies in 
the system. 
We have shown that the gold colloid test performed in water to which small 
quantities of Marian waters have been added yields a product that appears 
significantly bluer with respect to the product formed in control reactions. 
This difference is quantifiable by comparing the visible absorption spectra 
of the solutions. The color differences obtained in Marian water samples with 
respect to controls resemble the color differences previously observed when 
the reaction was performed in samples of water treated by healers. As the 
colloidal reaction acts merely as a detector of the "activation" previously 
effected on the water, these results suggest that the Marian waters are 
intrinsically energetically "active" by virtue of the higher dimensional 
information they have absorbed and stored within their molecular structure
....Amplification of electromagnetic fields by water: 
The HeartMath Research Center has developed a new technology that can detect 
and measure the capacity of water to amplify weak electromagnetic fields. For 
example, the electromagnetic field produced by the human heart can be 
detected in a glass of water placed a number of feet away. We have shown that 
water exposed to a weak electromagnetic field has the property of amplifying 
the signal many times and that different types of water amplify the signal to 
different extents. We have found that the amplification of an electromagnetic 
field by distilled water is significantly increased when only a few drops of 
water from Mediugorje is added to it. 
This new technology holds great potential to scientifically measure and 
document the storage of information in water. The system is also 
significantly less subject to variation due to background environmental 
fluctuation than are crystallization experiments and many chemical tests. Of 
the many types of analyses we have performed at our laboratories, we believe 
this method of measuring the effects of information transfer into water 
currently holds the most promise for furthering our understanding of the 
capacity of water to store and transduce higher dimensional information 
associated with special environments such as the Marian sanctuaries.
<<
There are other avenues of possible detection, too numerous to mention here, 
but with a little searching, sharing and "get your hands dirty" work, the 
answers will be found.
Sincerely,
DMBoss1021
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