Re: H2O Fuel

Dwayne Phillips ( dwayne@eazellpetersen.com )
Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:47:06 -0800

on 11/14/99 4:34 PM, Ardvark at ardvark@easynet.co.uk wrote:

> Water can be purified, that is not the problem though, water cannot be
> split efficiently into hydrogen and oxygen, the amount of energy needed is
> greater than the potential energy produced, I am sorry, but that is a fact.
> Internal combustion engines are extremely inefficient energy
> converters, and given the fact that it takes more energy to produce the fuel
> than the potential energy of the fuel I would say this is a lose-lose
> situation.
> Sorry if I seem less than optimistic, but I am just being practical.
> Ardvark.
> ardvark@easynet.co.uk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Johnston <enki@csrlink.net>
> To: <TMCCOY1@FAIRVIEW.ORG> Interact <Interact@Keelynet.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: H2O Fuel
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>> Hi Tom,
>> Unfortunately I have found that there seems to be quite a bit of
>> misinformation out there about this subject. Your response illustrates
>> one of these points. Your assertion is plain wrong. Actually, pure,
>> distilled water is a very poor conductor of electricity and so not
>> suitable for use by itself.
>> It is true that pure water would be more desirable because it
>> doesn't carry with it any pollutants like limestone, mud or sewage
>> because these things would tend to collect in your electrolysis cell as
>> precipitates and mess things up.
>> What is required is the addition of an electrolyte such as sodium
>> chloride to the distilled water so that it works. If you don't believe
>> me try it yourself. I have.
>> For my experiment I used a commercially available 6 pack cooler made
>> of non conducting PVC plastic as the electrolysis cell. I filled it with
>> tap water and used rock salt as the electrolyte. For electrodes I used a
>> couple of steel wrenches. For a power source I used a 12v motorcycle
>> battery charger, plugged into a standard 120v wall outlet. It produced
>> nice steady streams of H2 and O2 gas.
>> MJ
>> There is one thing that I see wrong with this using of water as a fuel.
>> You have to have PURE water with no extras. Currently on this planet we
>> have more sources of non pure water than we do for PURE water. If we
>> ever do use water as a fuel it had better be able to use contaminated
>> water.[it can]
>>
>> tom
>>
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Jerry has some papers on Walter Russell and his thoughts on how to produce
Hydrogen from the air. Or something in that vein.

I like the thought of hydrogen as a fuel source. The Japanese have developed
a fuel tank for Hydrogen that is safer than Gasoline tanks.

Dwayne

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