This was posted on another list in reference to a
design for a gravity assisted PPM, my response
precedes the URL and original comments;
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Yet another patent claim that does not indicate it was
ever built or tested, just dreamed up and drawn up.
Such patents certainly accentuate why the patent
office should REQUIRE A WORKING MODEL to be
'examined', not just a description of an idea with
drawings and claims.
I have numerous copies of patents with such claims (as
I'm sure do many others on this list), none of which
have been built, only conceptualized and it sure does
waste a lot of time wading through and trying to find
something real.
That's why we DON'T see them WORKING EVERYWHERE
because they are 'conceptualized claims'.
This stuff is similar to Wally Mintos Wonder Wheel
though his was actually demonstrated and written up in
I believe Popular Science back in the late 1970's.
Why they aren't also in use somewhere in this vast
country videotaped, documented and doing work, I don't
understand, probably because of their size and slow
speed, yet it did have high torque.
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/minto.htm
"...I wasn't quite sure if he was kidding about this
newest engine. Four - used propane bottles were hose-
clamped to the ends of two pieces of aluminum angle,
each about four feet long."
(indicating about 8-10 foot diameter)
"Minto estimates a slightly larger (40 ft.) wheel with
14 pairs of one-ft. by 4.5 ft. containers would
provide 10,240 ft/lb of work per container as each 269
lb. of liquid responds to gravity through a 20 ft
level arm.
At only one rpm this is 8.69 hp; not spectacular, but
low cost and capable of running steadily for
generations."
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These types of drawings always disturb me because they
show a balanced system, that's the last thing you want
for it to be self-running, even the Minto wheel as in
the diagram at the above URL should be more of a
swastika or offset so that at the zenith it will tend
to fall in a preferred direction (thought is still
balances at one point in the rotation, that's why so
many have a kicker that knocks it over the hump).
Troy Reed and others even use a kicker at roughly 320
degrees to kick the wheel over the hump.
Amazing if there are so many of these that have been
built and work that we aren't tripping over them
everywhere we go or seeing them on the news or as
videotapes/plans or demos at conferences...why is
that???
I think the answer is obvious, its a fine line to walk
between the working hardware of reality and the
conceptual idea realm of claims without proof.
Best way to find out, is to build it and see, but that
costs money and time, so you want to get the biggest
bang for your time, effort and cash outlay. I think
that is why so few of these get built, everyone wants
to FIRST see a working unit to show the PROOF OF
PRINCIPLE...just so.
--- Stefan Hartmann <harti@harti.com> wrote:
> http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US03934964__
> Here is the patent..
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Datum: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:24:58 -0400
> Von: Wesley Crosiar
>
> Dear Stefan - These guys are just trying to take
> credit for something that they have seen. I
> designed a gravity wheel that a friend of mine
> built. It worked although very primitive. My friend
> mentioned it to wiseman and George came up with the
> diagram on his webpage. my friend and I had already
> came up with this same design before George ever
> thought of it and I still suspect my friend told
> george this design even though he swears he didn't.
> By the way, our device rotated for a day and a half
> before it started leaking. Guess what, there is
> nothing new under the sun.I did a patent search to
> see if there was a similar design and guess what.
> Patent # 3,934,964 came up which is almost an exact
> replica of the picture on your page. Notice the
> date. 1976. Yes this does work. wes
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