Is there inside information, I thought everything was being made public that
could be Jerry?
>BBS and wanted, nay DEMANDED to be immediately put up in the higher
>levels where the more technical details went on. Puhleeze...get a
>life....
Are there higher levels, I thought the free exchange of all the latest data
was the true purpose of this list? I have no where near the experience or
expertise of some people here, perhaps more than some others, and I am very
skeptical of certain claims, but if I cannot confront the people and ideas I
have problems with how will any of us learn?
>As I said, that Newman post was to another list where the arugument is
>never resolved as I pointed out. I monitor other lists and see the
>UNENDING arguments about chemical minutaie, arguments revolving around
>semantics and people promoting something as Soule has done for many
>years now with Newamn.
I agree, it seems with all the data and people witnessing newman by now that
something reproducable would be all the rage.
>That's all well and good, I've talked with Joe both on the phone and in
>person, attended his presentations and to date nothing has come of his
>efforts. He's an interesting fellow but SOMETIME, SOMEWHERE, it has to
>be duplicated and PROVEN absolutely to work, RELIABLY...what is it now,
>20 years???
Excellent point, I agree totally.
>need to moderate, you came here and you can certainly leave on your own.
Why is it that so many people feel the need to end communication with those
they disagree, does either side really learn anything at that point,
certainly as mature adults in modern society we all can see the negative
progress that happens when we only surround ourselves with people that are
exactly like us. Criticism is good sometimes. That is the problem with
both conservative science and new ideas, with skeptics and new age people,
no one seems willing to mingle anymore.
>Some people just sign on and suck up all they can, offering nothing in
>return, but hoping for at least one thing they can use.
Poor souls, I feel sorry for them that people are dying around this world
everyday because they have a need to gain something personally and do not
wish to share, but regardless, we can't throw away the bunch because of a
few bad apples.
>As to the other aspects you mention regarding voodoo, etc...you've
>certainly got a good grip on that subject...I haven't noticed you being
>any well of inspiration or information...sucking up anything you could
>for your own self, with hints that 'you'll build'...yeah, right, time
>will tell which of us produces anything USEFUL and PRACTICAL.
It will, we will just have to wait and see if anyone is able to make it
work, but if useful data is not being shared isn't that process slowed?
>A lot of the stuff on the list drifts and it is after all MY LIST so I
And I appreciate you making it available, that is commendable.
>choose what I think will fit, there are many interleaves, some of which
>you are apparently too biased, religiously or scientifically to
>comprehend.
Perhaps, but without the free exchange of all ideas how does anyone lose
their biases, for or against?
>I don't know what your issues are but I'm glad you've revealed yourself
>before any of us sent you any money or additional information (I hope!!)
Why is information being withheld, why are people holding back progress, why
is personal gain more important than helping the environment you live in
which will benefit you as well. Call me a dreamer but I just do not
understand that. So what if a few greedy individuals get that information
as well as many others, once the data is in the public domain it will be
hard for one person or another to control it with the level of communication
we have today.
>with your trumped up claims....anything to see your name on the computer
>screen, doubly blessed when people compliment you in a public forum on
>your willingness to build and share...yeah right, just a cesspool of
>promises until they conflict with your own innate prejudicies and you
>can use it as an excuse to walk away and not have to back up what you
>said.
If he wishes to leave that his is choice, if he wished to take whatever is
freely given to try and gain personally his choice as well, but why does
info have to be held up that hurts all of us just to punish this one? I do
not understand that.
>Get your own page or sponsor your own list...no, you'll never do that as
>you are one of the users who take and give nothing...as evidenced by
>your post.
Leeches abound everywhere, does that mean we do not feed anyone else for the
fear leeches will get some of the resources too, that seems
counterproductive to me. If you want to fly Jerry, you can get a parasail
or a hanglider, if you want more direct controlled flight do you think
holding back data and only sharing with a select few gets us any closer to
this goal. Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems as long as we determine levels
as to who has data and who does not we limit ourselves. No matter however,
the floodgates are open and are only getting wider.