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> Hi Don.
> Energy, matter, AND spirit, are all part of GOD's one great creation.
yes thats true.
> Your FEAR of investigating things that have been named "spiritualism" by
> others in the past strikes me as irrational. It sounds more like the
> superstitious dogma propounded by certain ignorant misguided religions
> of the dark ages.
only if we clearly state that any belief at all in texts such as the Koran,
Bible, Talmud etc... have absolutely no validity or bearing in todays world.
I havent found that to be the case myself. In fact I've found that the pervasive
and staunchly defended religion of academics, politicians and most religous leaders
which is 'humanism' is rarely correct or accurate about anything. I have yet
to see one essential spiritual 'truth' from a book like the Bible ever fail.
I am NOT a religous person. I have little time for orthodox religion at all.
I find it quite stale, meaningless and without life. But then when Christ walked
the earth he also didnt get along with most religous leaders for much the same reason.
It is one thing to be closed minded and shut oneself off from scientific discovery
new perceptions on ourselves, the universe, each other, the fabric of reality
and quite another to simply recognize something that is clearly in violation
of what one believes to be true. If I say I don't subscribe to the practice
of witchcraft and am labeled a superstitious, dogmatic, ignorant, and misguided
religionist, then by your definition I simply havent the opportunity to discern
what I feel is right or wrong irrespective of social influnce. I find that
proposal quite frightening and in actuality that seems very much like the sort
of thing that a violent, intolerable and fascist regime would dictate.
'Thought crimes' - aka Orwells 1984. I know it is quite fashionable and trendy
to be 'pagan' in the 90's but I've never been big into fashion myself nor
have I been big into organized religions of any kind, be they Catholic,
Humanism or Cyber-Shamanism. I just believe what I believe and try my best
to do my best.
>Believe what you want to, but your superstitious fears
> serve only to enslave your own mind.
I fail to see how exactly you have determined that my fears are those
of an enslaved and superstitious mind. I did not simply wake up one
day and blindly let some old and out of touch priest ram regurtitated
orthodoxy down my throat and then say to him, 'thank you suh, may I have another?'
My fears are based, at least to me, on what I feel is quite rational.
I'm certain, since you have seemed to indicate that your beliefs are opposite
of mine, that you have a rational basis to your beliefs. So you are rational
while I am not. I see. What rational process did you use to arrive at this
conclusion? Was it simply the fact that I believe something differnt than you do,
that your belief is superior to mine and that I should be quashed? That
doesnt sound very rational to me. Or is it that because humanism is so very much
more popular than what you cleary suspect me of being, an out of date orthodox
religionist freak akin to the typical hollywood media rendition?
>This forum is about science not religion.
yes, that is what I had thought initially, which is why I was surprised to see
what seemed to be to be religious ideas of wicca or witchcraft being
talked about as 'science'. Gerald Berry, how many actual 'scientitsts'
would see the pyramid device as scientific? How many wiccans would see this
description as being one to which they would gleefully and intimately relate?
This is then certainly a 'religous' theme in the forum to some degree and one to which you
do not seem to object. Or do you actually mean that there is room for some religions and not
others? Are you saying we may discuss topics of 'appropriate' religous topics
but not others. If witchcraft doesnt disturb you but Christianity does, then you
shall banish any concern that smacks of a 'Christian' type tone with a quick
draw of the pen, while on the other hand securing the place of other 'religions'
within the forum by simply stating directly that its ok to do so or by simply
attempting to disguise it adequately enough to junior members who don't know any better.
And then should someone make a stink about it, such as myself... you can summarily
squelch them by crying indignantly, 'Hark, what foul religionist besmirches these hallowed
halls?" "Out with you religionist!" So if your right to expression stands
and mine is not allowed, where is the freedom? It sounds to me like intolerance
and clever manipulation of ideologies to meet the agenda of those who wish to propogate
same and not an open forum of simply 'science and discovery' at all.
>I suggest that if you object to the study of certain things
> based on your religious beliefs, that you keep it to yourself and simply
> stay away from it rather than trying to rationalize your personal
> 'moral' objections to everyone else. I for one do not subscribe to this
> mail list to be preached to.
Yes I know, you've stated we may only discuss appropriate religious views,
yours. Anything else just won't do.
Interesting, and yet here you are preaching to me. You say I should not object
to the study of certain things, I should shut up and go away. And yet you are
'morally' objecting and rationalizing your right to tell me publicly that you
have a right to which I am not priviledged. Isn't this tyranny? Your perception
and opinion is superior to mine in your eyes and in fact as far as you are
concerned I not only should not express what I think (however you are allowed to)
but I should be removed entirely. Perhaps if we lived in Rome you could avoid
annoyances such as me by simply tossing me to the lions, that would be so
much more convenient for you I imagine. And for the record, I NEVER said I was
'religous'. You never gave me the courtesy or made the effort to find out exactly
where I was coming from. I simply said that witchcraft was against my spiritual beliefs
and you decided to 'champion' what ever your cause happens to be since in your eyes
I had committed a grievance or sent up the warning flag of not agreeing to what
I was reading and indicating such.
Not that any one is likely to care, but the Bible states quite clearly that 'divining'
and spiritualism is wrong, case closed for me. I do not have a closed mind I simply
refuse to do something which I think is horrifically wrong.. I have built orgone accumulators,
rife generator type devices, cloudbusters, geode transmutation devices, worked with
l-fields and have spent likely hundreds of hours reading all sorts of different topics
related to alternative technology. I am but a simple layman with an inquisitive mind,
perhaps Gerald you know better and can tell me what to believe and how to act, as in your
infinite wisdom and like the Priests of the inquisition you seem to know best and I
shouldn't be allowed to think or decide for myself... because I am an ignorant, superstitious,
dogmatic religionist.
Regards,
Don J. S. Adams
P.S. In case you happened to miss it, I 'm assuming you must have and just didnt perform a
kneejerk reaction to my statements. I very clearly stated that I was OPEN to hearing how
the pyramid device or radionics ACTUALLY were scientific and NOT based on any religious
ideologoy such as witch craft. No adequate follow up has to date been provided on this.
All that seemed to occur was for Jerry to confirm that sure it could be construed as witch craft,
but thats ok because labels don't mean anything. Gerald, do you think labels mean anything?
Such as "superstitious dogma propounded by certain ignorant misguided religions of the dark ages."
Respectfully yours,
Don
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