Jerry W. Decker wrote:
>
> Hi Don et al!
>
> This post about the pyramid device was intended as an answer to Steve
> about some experiments I had done, so I figured I would share them with
no prob...didnt mean to stick my nose into someone elses affairs...
just curious about some of the comments....
> Two comments have been made, one that there is 'karma' involved, the
> other that it is 'witchcraft'.
Who said it was 'witchcraft'? Not I .... I only said it seemed like;
snip -->>Jerry, found your post interesting.... please pardon in advance
>>my possible ignorance here... but this seems more like 'witchcraft'
>>than quantifiable science? Am I missing something?
> The experiments have worked for me and that's all I am claiming. I can'
> say they would work for anyone else though I do konw others who they
ok... I understand what you are saying
> To my mind, I view it complex dynamic frequencies which intertwine,
> collide and augment each other...so its a matter of phasing your request
I suspect that much of this is possibly true and it makes sense.... however
I think that such an interplay exists at both a physical as well as a spiritual
level. The process you mention above...if done in the spiritual realm, I believe
can have disatrous results for the practioner if certain details are left out...
just as in the physical world a mistake can cause chemical poisoning or an explosion.
Sadly, I find that many who are eager to learn about and use radionic or psychotronic
type devices seem blissfully un-aware that they are in fact like hapless victims dangling
on a raft suspended over an ocean filled with hungry monsters. One has to dig a little
deeply through these two topics and other areas such as 'dowsing' to realize that
there is some sort of direct 'contact' being made with a spirit or familiar.
I was interested in these areas until I began to realize as I became more involved
these fields were based far less on science and much more on a form of metaphysical
spiritualism. Its no accident that dowsing is also called 'Water Witching' and that
a dowsing rod is sometimes referred to as a 'witching stick'.
> Now as to the claim of 'witchcraft'.
Jerry, no offense... (I wonder if I hit a sore spot here by accident?)
but I 'claimed' nothing... I only asked a very harmless question. I am not
judging you for any beliefs or practices you may employ, that is not my place
to do so. I may not agree with your actions or beliefs but I am not trying to
'pin' anything on you.
>Call it what you may but occult means hidden and there is no doubt in my mind
>that people who dabble in such subjects realize there are ways to influence reality by >certain combinations of elements, certain timings and certain ways of thinking
> or directing thought while in an emotional state.
Well yes...sure, occult does mean hidden...but frankly IMHO this word is often used
quite broadly and it does have different connotations to different people. Occult
used in the proper sense could refer to just about any aspect of life which is not known.
Scientific principles or facts about our universe on the physical side could be referred
to as occult knowledge... like wise the calling name of a lesser daemon who performs
simple tasks for you could also be considered occult knowledge on the spiritual side.
The process you mention above could easily fit the description of someone eating a donut
and digesting it. Reality is affected, emotions are involved, etc...
>But that is far
> removed from the simple pyramid experiment which I have used
> successfully and was passing on to Steve.
I don't follow.... the only thing I see that is different is the INTENT...
while the process seems similiar to me.
>
> Quantifiable science......well, we should include Qualifiable also.
sure.. I can see the merit of what you are saying here...
> The digital age has skewed our collective perception away from the
> reality of nature. The universe IS ANALOG and I think there is a world
yup.. again.. I have no problem with that.
> We are so hooked on digital this, digital that. Remember we have to
> sample ANALOG levels to derive all this digital mess.
sure... again... no problem.
> Don't get me wrong, I am far from a Luddite,
Jerry I did not nor do I now think you were a 'Luddite'. Far from it.
Frankly I'm baffled as to why you would even say such a thing. In my books
you seem to be a scholar and a gentleman.
>but I think this idea that
> if it can't be 'quantified' as in precisely measured, then it doesn't
> work because it can't be measured in discrete steps.
again, I have no trouble with the essence of what you are saying here
generally.
> My qualifier is does it work. You fiddle with it til you can make it
> work as often and reliably as possible, THEN you try to quantify all the
> steps that occur in a working system in hopes of consistent replication
> for commercial use. Natural, original science uses qualifiers, modern,
> commercially repeatable science uses quantifiers once it has been
> qualified.
ok, I appreciate your comment on this. My personal perspective is that for myself
I need to have more 'qualifying criteria' other than 'does it work'. For
me I need to have the additional criterion of 'is it right'? We know gasoline
and petroleum 'work' but in my opinion they are not right. I believe it is the same
thing in the spiritual realm... there are many things which may be seen to
'work' or produce a given result.... but what are the long term effects to the soul
or to other people... what toxicities can arise? I suspect witchcraft, wicca,
radionics, psychotronics etc... have much in the way of cumulative toxic effects
on users that they are not aware of and are often not warned about. A good case in
point is visiting a self proclaimed 'psychotronic expert' Charles Cosmiano's site
I felt after viewing his material...quite ill...almost as though exposed to an area
high in DOR or deadly orgone. But what came through was his INTENT.
>
> Now, what the heck does that have to do with attempts at reality biasing
> using a pyramid? Well, a lot because I haven't had 100% successes and
> the cases that have worked could just as well have worked had I NOT used
> the pyramid. Though in several of those cases, every indication was I
> was 'borderline' as to having what I needed to get what I wanted, in
> other cases, people had no prior history or problems which only appeared
> AFTER the pyramid use.
Jerry, from what I understand of witchcraft and alt tech... this sounds like it could go
either way...perhaps there is a physical energy involved here which is simply part of science
and we do not fully understand it yet...or perhaps there is something darker going on here.
I must say though, that from your description it certainly sounds more like the results
produced from practicing witchcraft.
>
> It is EXPERIENTIAL. It costs almost nothing to do the experiment and
> you might have something unusual happen in your life. The terms don't
> really matter about witchcraft, karma, etc...only that you achieve
> results. Try it, hot glue and dowel rods, an 8 year old could do it.
Jerry, I'm afraid I must disagree with you on this point. Terms often
DO mean something. In fact meaning causes us to form terms in the first place...
to describe something. I appreciate that it is simple to build...but I am not
convinced of the 'rightness' of such a device.
>
> As I understand it is a kind of 'sympathy' where the idea of cold and
> ice means to slow and stop actions. Its' not so much the actual ACT as
> the INTENT and EXECUTION that somehow modulates or biases reality to
> accomodate your needs.
To me there are two general uses of the word 'occult'. One is harmless and simply
conveys the meaning of hidden knowledge. The other usage of occult conveys the
meaning of practicing magic, divination, etc. Well here, you see... is where I guess
you and I will have to agree to disagree. To me this sounds no different than the
'sympathetic magickal' practices employed by voodoo or witchcraft. Voodoo takes samples
of a persons body, a lock of hair etc... and by this they claim they can affect the
person directly. Witchcraft general, has similair modalities of 'spell casting'.
While the usage of words such as 'MODALITIES' or 'REALITY BIASING' seems to cast
a veneer of science-ism to what you are describing, to me this appears only as fancy
packaging to make an occult - witchcraft practice more palatable to those uninitiated
or unfamiliar with the area. Not that I'm saying thats what you are doing... it just
seems like it. I think when one INTENDS to act in the place of God, one is in trouble.
I do not believe we are God and I do not believe we are capable or have the right to
attempt to take His place. At the same time however I do think we are obligated to
explore the universe around us and discover its mysteries according to His will.
Our intent should be to not harm others but to care for each other and share warmth
with each other. If this were generally the case, we wouldnt have to worry about
Free Energy devices being repressed like they are today in the first place.
> I think people like Daniel up in Canada who can do the most incredible
> things with simple wire and wood, such as powering a TV and a 1/2 hp
> motor underwater with no batteries or outside power sources.
>
> It is an application of shaman-like abilities to the hardware proofs we
> need. Such claims have been directed at Keely and others, saying the
> machines won't work unless they are near or touching it. Perhaps.
I am not familiar with this 'David' fellow, are you sure his application is 'shamanic'
ie witchcraft? Could it be possibly based in a natural / scientific realm?
> That is why we have to look at such areas. I am told some people can
> sense the flow of magnetic and electric fields with their hands. If
> there is a linkage between aether, gravity, magnetism and electricity,
> then an ability to see these interactions would definitely help in the
> development of a circuit geometry that could accumulate, collimate and
> allow the use of this energy to do work.
Jerry, my personal beliefs strongly restrict me from playing with any sort
of spiritualism. I'm afraid I cannot and will not assist you with the'pyramid
device" at this time. I do respect your right to believe in it or experiment with it
however. AS for working with aether, gravity, magnetism and looking for physical
linkages and such...this does intereste me a great deal and I hope to continue learning
and experimenting with these physical concepts.
Kindest regards,
Still, your Candian Correspondent
Don J.S. Adams
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