I had hoped that the scum was a manufactured product and not something in
the drinking water. From your articles it appears that it may be part
dissolved portions of stainless steel and part newly made material. After
24 hours the carbonation appearing bubbles are gone (open top container),
the green portion has coalesced into tiny flakes, and the brown portion
appears to consist of rounded charged globules whose weight prevents them
from dispersing upward.
Anyway here I am up to my neck in alligators when the original job was to
drain the swamp!
If I had any idea how Joe's cell worked options could be explored such as
platinum or silver plates. Maybe the scum is necessary??
Maybe a Pyrex cell with exotic plates as the pressure of Joe's cells
appears to be small judging by some of the construction details?
Next weekend will try precharging the water and advancing the car timing
from the start as much as possible and still have the engine run on
gasoline.
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> Since Garry has had problems with his electrolytic cell generating
> sludge when he tries to condition the distilled water, I will contribute
> this explanation as to it's source. Please
> delete previous post for it went "MIME" format when I attempted to
> attach two files
> to the message. Still have not figured out how to prevent this. Norm
>
> 16 October 1996
> To: Hal Fox, Fusion Facts
> Elemental Replication ?
>
> Around mid September I put together an electrolysis cell similar
> to the Miles Nickel Cold Fusion Cell with the goal of exploring the
> possibilities of making what is termed “Pristine Water”. This water
> which will be used by Homeopaths will have had all memory or information
> removed. This is accomplished by recombining monatomic hydrogen and
> monatomic oxygen as generated in a properly designed cell. This is the
> ultimate in purity since this is water with conditions at the time of
> original creation. “Wholy Water”is a term coined by my dear freind and
> fellow researcher Joe Tyls of Vancouver, BC. After several weeks of
> successful operation producing water that had all the earmarks of a true
> “pristine water” a fellow researcher suggested using an alternate
> electrolyte. A solution was selected that contained 77 colloidal
> minerals as found in plants that are the easiest assimilated into the
> body. With the electrolyte changed the cell was put back into
> operation as before with a nice recombination burn and production of the
> sought after “pristine water”.
> After about an hour of operation the cell went absolutely “nuts”
> with the temperature rapidly climbing to boiling point and the current
> out of sight. When the cell was opened we found a deep red sludge
> deposit which shorted the cell plates. Our first thought was that the
> electrolytic action precipitated out the colloidal minerals which caused
> the deposit found. The electrolyte was allowed to settle out the
> precipitate. After decanting off, the clear electrolyte was returned
> to the cell for another run. Again the cell operated normally for about
> an hour with a normal recombination burn and recovery of the water being
> consumed by the cell in the splitting action. Again the cell
> temperature and current mirrored the first run. Again the cell
> contained the same amount of sludge residue. This process was repeated
> ten (10) times with exactly the same results. All of the sludge was
> carefully dried and weighed on an electronic scale with a five decimal
> resolution. The cell plates and all hardware were
> weighed to determine any loss of mass that may contribute to the mass
> gain observed in the sludge. Five hundred (500) ml of the original
> electrolyte solution used in the cell was vacuum distilled to determine
> the exact mass of colloidal minerals contained. When all factors were
> considered we came out with a mass gain of 48 gm which cannot be
> explained by conventional electrolysis.
> After talking to Dr. Robert Bass and Hal Fox I learned of a patent
> that has been filed on the transmutation of elements in the cold fusion
> cell which is the process that Dr. John Bockris has been so active in.
> Both Dr. Bass and Hal Fox stated that what I was observing is not the
> same as the transmutation observed in the cold fusion cell since I have
> a overall mass gain and not a lateral movement of elements in the
> periodic table toward lighter elements with a resulting heat release.
> This unusual cell operation has caused quite a reaction in the
> scientific community. At this time I have built a complete new cell
> with every possible factor which could possibly explain the mass gain
> considered and documented. The ten (10) consecutive runs on the new
> cell will be completed soon and a report will be forthcoming. What is
> interesting about this phenomenon is that when an eleventh run was made
> with the original electrolyte exactly the same amount of residue was
> recovered as in the previous ten runs.
>
> Since the same electrolyte is reused each time with only distilled water
> being added to replace the volume lost by the removal of the solids and
> the water recovered by the recombination burn we are hard pressed to
> explain the observed phenomenon. The electrolyte appears stronger in
> mineral concentration and shows no sign of depletion.
> After confering with Joe Tyls we arrived at the conclusion that the
> 77 colloidal minerals contained in the electrolyte provide the atomic
> templates needed for the monatomic hydrogen (father of all the elements)
> to replicate selected elements in this exotic mixture. If you subscribe
> to the theories of the late Walter Russell and his explanation of the
> octave based periodic table with monatonic hydrogen being what he
> describes as hydrons (precursor to hydrogen) then it is possible for the
> replication of elements directly from energy input alone. This is how
> all matter was created in the beginning as described by Schappeller in
> “The Physics of the Primary State of Matter”. I will keep all
> informed as to our progress and findings in this very intriguing
> venture.
>
> Norman Wootan
> P.O. Box 141049
> Dallas, TX 75214
> (214) 360-0865
>
>
> CC: Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy
> CC: Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M
> 19 October 1996
> To: Hal Fox , Fusion Facts
> Elemental Replication?
>
> On 16 October I made an initial report on the electrolysis cell that
> appears to be creating mass or elements from distilled water and
> electrical energy input. The following is the technical description of
> the cell , set-up procedures, run procedures and the final solid residue
> weight data.
> Cell Description
>
> The electrolysis cell is designed to hold one (1) liter of
> electrolyte and operate at approximately 150 watt power level for the
> production of monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen which is burned
> back to pure water and collected in a glass condenser. Cell container
> is schedule 40 PVC pipe section 6 inches long with bottom cap cemented
> on. The top of the cell has a 4 inch female thread adapter cemented on
> to provide access to the interior via a male threaded plug which has the
> gas outlet port and two electrolyte fill ports to provide for
> replacement of lost electrolyte on the fly for continuos operation.
> Positive and negative terminals are provided for external connection of
> the power supply leads to the internal anode- cathode stack.
> The cell plate stack consist of 8 anode plates and 8 cathode plates
> of the following sizes constructed from 316L stainless steel of 22 ga.
> thickness.
> 4 ea. 3” X 3” plates, 2 ea. 3” X 2.75”plates, 2 ea. 3” X 2.5”plates,
> 2 ea. 3” X 2.25” plates, 2 ea. 3” X 2” plates, 2 ea. 3” X 1.75”
> plates, and 2 ea. 3” X 1.5” plates. The plates are drilled and stacked
> with alternating anode and cathode plates spaced 1/8” apart which makes
> a cylindrical shaped array which fits nicely inside of the 4” ID PVC
> cell container. Electrical leads are braided copper of #10 size which
> are covered by shrink tubing to cover conductive surface as they pass
> through the electrolyte to the cell terminal bolts. All electrical
> surfaces other than the anode and cathode plates are carefully covered
> with PVC cement to prevent deterioration from electrolyte contact.
> Please note that if allowed to come into contact with “charged” surfaces
> monatomic hydrogen and monatonic oxygen will imediately form into their
> usual occuring state as diatomic H2 and O2 molecules.
> The electrolyte originally used was Potassium Carbonate and
> distilled water mixed to provide a cell current of 20 amps @ 5 volts
> DC. Please don’t get excited by saying that 1.7 volts is the ideal
> voltage for electrolysis for this is not intended to be a normal cell
> operation from the get-go if you get my “drift”. The electrolyte that
> was substituted after two weeks of successful cell operation is a
> product called Body Booster which can be bought from most health food
> outlets and is produced by The Rockland Corporation, Tulsa, OK 74136 1
> (800) 421-7310. This product contains 77 colloidal minerals which are
> plant derived from humic shale which is mined in Emery County, Utah.
> Hal Fox said he was very familiar with this famous deposit of shale from
> a prehistoric forest dating back 70 million years. I used 500 ml. of
> the selected electrolyte mixed with 500ml. of distilled water which gave
> me a starting cell current of 30 amps @ 5 Volts DC input. The power
> supply selected to drive this electrolysis cell is a switching type that
> has an output of 5 Volts DC with a current capability of 120 amps.
>
> Recombination burn of the monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen
> give the proper heat signatures which enable you to determine whether
> you are generating H2 and O2 gas which is diatomic or the desired
> monatomic gases. Everyone experimenting with the famous “brown’s gas”
> knows that only monatomic gas will provide the high temperatures
> necessary to sublimate a tungsten wire.
>
> Cell Set Up
>
> With the cell set up and ready for operation a safety bubblier must
> be used between the gas generator cell and the burner orifice to prevent
> possible flash back implosion in the generator proper. The burner
> nozzle used was hand drawn from quartz tubing and was fitted inside a
> Pyrex cryogenic condenser unit which is cooled to about 40 degrees F.
> with circulating chilled water. After power is supplied to cell and
> stable gas flow is established through bubblier the burn jet is lit off
> and inserted into the sealed condenser unit so that there is no outside
> air contaminates to deal with. Since the burn of this ideal ratio gas
> is implosive when reforming into water the unit can be run in a totally
> closed and sealed system. Cell voltage , current and temperature is
> monitored by attached instrumentation. A cell this size will generate
> 50ml. of reformed water during a 6 hour run with the cell temperature
> stabilizing around 120 degrees F.
>
> Test Results
>
> As stated before, after an hour of running time with the new
> electrolyte the temperature and cell current made a drastic increase
> caused by the shorting out of the cell plate stack from mineral sludge
> build up. After ten (10) runs recycling the same decanted electrolyte
> back into the cell the following solid residue data was recorded after
> careful filtering, drying and weighing.
>
> Run # 1 8.04 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 2 7.98 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 3 10.45 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 4 10.71 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 5 11.69 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 6 7.34 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 7 8.10 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 8 5.73 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 9 6.35 gm. dry solid weight
> Run #10 3.96 gm. dry solid weight
> _____________________________
> Total wt. 80.35 gm. dry solid weight
>
>
>
>
>
> A sample 500ml. quantity of the original electrolyte selected was
> vacuum distilled down, filtered and dried to determine the actual
> mineral content of the electrolyte with a resulting weight of 5.8
> gm. The label on the bottle state that the mineral content of 500 ml.
> is 19 gm. Since there is a glaring discrepancy between the starting
> electrolyte mineral content and the solid residue yield we carefully
> weighed all components of the cell and found that the cell anode and
> cathode plates had lost a total of 34.79 gm of their original total
> weight of 464.28 gm. A quantity of 500 ml. of the beginning electrolyte
> weighs exactly 527.4 gm. After 10 runs the 500ml. quantity of the
> electrolyte weighs 523.9 gm which means that there is a density loss of
> only 3.5 gm. from a beginning (actual) mineral content of 5.8 gm. After
> subtracting all factors we still have an excess mass of 45.56 gm. of
> material. Since this cell had been run for two weeks using the
> potassium carbonate as an electrolyte before the switch to the new
> electrolyte we could not determine the extent of plate material loss
> that had occurred during this first period of operation.
>
> Test Results (New Cell)
>
> The solution was to build a complete new cell with all new parts and
> hardware. Everything was carefully weighed and documented before a new
> series of runs were conducted. The following data is from fifteen (15)
> consecutive runs with the electrolyte being recycled back into the cell
> after extracting the solid residue.
>
> Run # 1 2.84 gm dry solid weight
> Run # 2 4.16 gm dry solid weight
> Run # 3 4.19 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 4 4.00 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 5 5.96 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 6 2.83 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 7 3.80 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 8 4.95 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 9 6.18 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 10 5.56 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 11 4.33 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 12 4.66 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 13 3.66 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 14 4.52 gm. dry solid weight
> Run # 15 6.57 gm. dry solid weight
> ______________________________
> Total wt. 68.21 gm. dry solid weight
>
> When you analyze the weight data from the runs the question arises
> as to why there is such deviations in yield between the runs. This can
> be answered from a visual examination of the dried and crushed residue.
> There is a distinct difference in color and texture from one run to the
> other with the beginning runs being a dark brownish hard residue
> changing to a lighter brown soft clay like residue at the end of the run
> with an increase in volume toward the end of the series.
>
> The electrolyte starts as a light yellow brown color and ends as a
> darker more brownish yellow fluid which appears to have more dissolved
> minerals present than at the beginning.
> The next step was to disassemble the cell components and carefully weigh
> and document any and all losses which may contribute to the observed
> mass gain. After this task was completed we found a total loss of mass
> from the cell plates of 34.44 gm. This leaves us with an unaccounted
> for mass gain of 33.77 gm. derived from a starting volume of electrolyte
> that contains only 5.8 gm. determined by vacuum distillation of the
> actual beginning electrolyte (500 ml.). Two samples of the recovered
> material has been sent to separate labs for analysis to determine
> composition. This will present a problem since the produced minerals
> seem to change in composition and color with each run made. It may be
> necessary to run an analysis on each and every run product to determine
> exact minerals being produced and in what quantities. Keep in mind
> that the electrolyte is far from being spent or stripped of dissolved
> minerals. I stopped the process at 15 runs so I could write this
> report of findings. I will keep everyone informed as to future
> progress. In the mean time I would invite anyone interested to
> replicate this experiment since it is so simple to set up.
>
>
> CC: Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy
> CC: Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M
>
>
> Norman Wootan
> P.O. Box 141049
> Dallas, TX 75214
> (214) 360-0865
>
>
>
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