Re: investing

Bill McMurtry ( weber@powerup.com.au )
Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:47:42 +1000

Hi Jerry, ZPE and all,

Jerry, I think you're utterly correct about investment in this field. What
multimillionare would really want to get involved in funding such
potentially far reaching effects on our economy and society?

You know, I spoke to a gentleman a couple of years ago about this very
subject. He was wealthy and intelligent <g>. He was of the view that even
looking for solutions to 'free-energy' production was verging on the 'work
of the devil'! This guy believed that the potential damage done to our
society by such a technical breakthrough would be catastrophic in so much
that we would all be thrown into a modern 'darkage' as our delicate
financial systems collapsed. At the time this concerned me greatly as I had
not seriously considered his position before. Of course his concerns are
valid. It may well be that a breakthrough of this nature will be our
present societies' downfall. Then again, this potential breakthrough may
just as well herald in a 'golden age' for all. Who can tell? Risky business
if you've got much to lose.

I guess the point I'm making is that when we look at who are the winners
and who are the losers, globally, of a free-energy breakthrough, it is not
too hard to understand the concerns of the wealthy. Maintaining the statis
quo always favours the rich and powerful. Why would they want to change
that? Of course the poor majority have little to lose, and it is there that
these concepts will find the most support.

This reasoning has lead me to believe that if there is to be a free-energy
breakthrough in the foreseable future, then it will come from 'the poor' to
'the poor'. The catch here is that the poor usually desperately want to be
rich. A beautifully simple control mechanism when 'greed is good'.

I make no judgement on the methods adopted by ZPE in his(?) efforts to
solve the funding problem. Why should we all not expect reward for our
efforts? All I can say is that after long consideration I'm of the opinion
that reward in this field is not the reason for my personal involvement. I
work towards solving a problem and should the day arrive when a solution
appears, I have to say in all honesty that I would be publically ridding
myself of that solution quickly, and moving on. Life is short and there is
much to see and do. The real value in a concept is in its many applications
- not the concept itself. IMHO, a concept has no value in itself.

I have no doubt that ZPE has the right to do as ZPE sees fit on this
matter. While I personally don't see the present countdown approach as
wise, intelligent, or practical, it does have an interesting entertainment
value <g>. I expect nothing and hope to be surprised.

BTW, I too have my favourite charities. I do not use them as a bargaining
chip nor do I use them as a justification - kind of personal stuff you
don't need to be burdened with, don't you think?

Regards, Bill.

At 00:25 30/08/98 -0500, Jerry W. Decker wrote:
>Hi Bill, ZPE et al!
>
>You know, in discussing this countdown with some friends, it was pointed
>out there is an inherent fatal flaw in the logic of the countdown;
>
> 1) zpe@pdq.net states they have what they believe to be a
> theoretical model of how to extract o/u energy from a vortex
>
> 2) zpe@pdq.net states it has not been built or tested at this point
>
> 3) zpe@pdq.net is asking for funding to verify then capitalize on
> the device if it works as they are sure it will
>
> 4) in the event they do not receive this funding before Octorber 28th,
> they will release the information for free to all
>
>Now, why would anyone want to invest in something if they can get it for
>free just by waiting?
>
>Possibly to get a commercial handle on it so they can make money?
>
>I have heard this many times from 'moneyed people' who say well IF it IS
>for real, then why should I invest anything in R&D when one day I can
>just buy it at the store.
>
>Sad, but true. Where are the Ted Turners, the Bill Gates, the Ross
>Perots, the Donald Trumps and all the other multimillionaires who could
>finance any of this research with what is 'chump change' to them?
>
>As much as I detest the probability of it, we live in a comfort zone
>that is highly controlled by not allowing such mavericks as we all are
>(if you're reading this, you ARE a maverick..<g>..) to be granted money
>that will alter not only society but governments, many corporations and
>vested institutions who rely on us all being controlled as to energy and
>goods.
>
>Not saying we should EVER give up as they screwed up and stepped on it
>when the InterNet was created, though I'd still rely on my own mail,
>phone, fax and other network contacts AS WELL as the Internet so that
>when the plans are ready, MANY, MANY people and groups will suddenly
>have a surprise packet in their mailbox, urging them to photocopy it and
>pass it everywhere first, then build, prove and USE it.
>
>I'm just puzzled how this ZPE countdown scenario is expected to work.
>--
> Jerry Wayne Decker