Re: MRA questions and suggestions

Norman Wootan ( normw@fastlane.net )
Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:25:47 -0500

First of all I must state that the research on the MRA was openly discussed on
the Keelynet BBS and covered a period of nearly a year with hundreds of messages
and tech bulletins. I will not go back and re-write the book on the MRA. Please
send me your address (mail) so I can send you a floppy that may help. All that
you suggested has been covered in the research. Greg found that silver mica
caps substituted nicely for the piezo element in a very low power version of the
MRA. The ones we used were built for Branson Ultrasonic welders 32KHZ, 250V.
Poling of piezo elements seem to be the problem as to suitability. I wish you
had been on-board back in 1994 for this is too difficult to reconstruct to a
level that you would understand. Norm

Alan Schneider wrote:

> Norman Wootan <normw@fastlane.net> and others wrote quite a bit about
> the MRA...
>
> Norm, you wrote that the resistance of the "primary" circuit is very
> critical, suggesting silver tinned stranded wire to get resistance down
> as low as possible. Have you considered using litz wire? This is used
> extensively at lower radio frequencies to reduce "skin effect" and thus
> increase "Q". I've seen the concept used in some switchmode power supply
> transformers as well. You're running ultrasonic so skin effect will
> certainly be a factor.
>
> You also mentioned using a transformer coupled amplifier to drive the
> MRA. Possibly a bad idea as the DC resistance of the output transformer
> secondary will be in series with your tuned circuit, thus reducing "Q".
> Also, the inductance of the winding would significantly alter the tuning
> of the MRA. As far as I can see, you'd need an amplifier with the lowest
> possible output resistance and, at the same time, *very* low inductance.
>
> Thirdly, the bridge rectifier you were using. At the frequencies
> concerned, this would have to be done with schottky or other fast turn-off
> diodes or you would have major losses in the secondary circuit.
>
> An idea which you may find worth looking into is to build two identical
> MRA's with the same resonant frequency and have the piezo elements "coupled"
> by placing them in a rigid tube with the spacing set up so they reinforce
> each other, acoustically speaking. This *may* enhance the effect but it
> would probably make tuning the system considerably harder.
>
> I'm curious about the piezo transducers you used. Are you able to give more
> details, ie manufacturer, part number and what sort of transducer they are
> (piezo tweeter etc)? When I first heard about the MRA, I did some looking
> around over here and none of the catalogs I checked even mentioned what
> material was used for the piezo element. Likewise the composition of easily
> available magnets.
>
> The fact that only one in five transducers displayed the effect implies that
> the MRA relies on some parameter which is normally considered parasitic and
> hence able to be largely ignored by the manufacturer. Do you have any idea
> as to what this key parameter(s) is/are?
>
> Cheers,
> Alan Schneider
>
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