Re: What is the costs of charging for overunity tech? (WAS: Re: FRE

Norman Wootan ( normw@fastlane.net )
Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:22:57 -0500

Hi! Frank: I have not communicated with you before but I will throw in a comment
regarding this thread. If you will go to the archive and dig out my 27 Mar.98
comment to Jerry about the MRA project you will see that My and Joel's intent was
to share the knowledge with everyone in the world who has access to the internet.
This we did and was noticed by the U.S. Patent Office who contacted us and almost
demanded that we file a patent on the technology so that the U.S. would control the
technology if it proved out. We demonstrated the MRA to IBM engineers and
Procurement executives who told us that they would not attempt to develop it as a
power source for lap top computers until such time as we had a patent on the
technology. The only way a theoretical model can be turned into a product is by
investment of R&D funds on a large scale. We tried to do the right thing and was
stopped by some un-seen intervention by (I suspect, NSA) in the 11:59 hour at the
patent office. They requested a complete file on the project which was provided
to them months before the Patent Office action. You fill in the blanks. I'll
tell you the cost of going public with any proposal of Free Energy. Everyone will
try to completely discredit you efforts at every turn. Thankfully we had a few
true believers in our project that discovered for themselves that it did indeed
work as we stated. All of you should thank Jerry for his firm stand on the "POP"
proposal for this is the only way we can learn the truth behind any project. Now
you have my TWO CENTS worth. Norm

Frank C. Earl wrote:

> > > I'm certainly not advocating just giving away free energy technology
> > > so as to not make any money. I just want to know what everybody thinks
> > > about the issue. You know, what's the driving force...
>
> To Eric: I'd like to ask you what you think the costs of the attempt
> of trying to charge for a "free energy", ZPE, overunity, et. al.
> device? Think long and hard about it before answering. Realize that
> there have been other overunity, devices in the past. Not gimmicks.
> Not tricks. Do we happen to have a single overunity device? No.
> Is it because they aren't possible? No. Is it because the inventor
> took their secrets to how the things worked to their graves, trying
> to make a buck off of the device? Most definitely. Look at Tesla.
> Look at Moray. Look at Sweet. Look at the host of others out there
> that have little snippets here and there on the Keelynet archives.
> WE HAVE NOTHING. To chose the path you advocate is to doom the idea
> and discovery to eventual obscurity.
>
> They'll think that it's a fraud or a scam- because there've been so
> many other scam artists that have come before you to pollute the
> situation for you.
>
> > Personally I don't believe much money can be made from selling F/E
> > devices, and I probably wouldn't try to make money by selling them.
>
> I don't know about that. You're not going to sell the devices until
> you give the _whole_ secret out so that people can independently
> verify it for themselves without needing to pay you any money. In
> theory, you could develop the devices to a provable state and then
> release the info. You'd have a leg up on the competition that would
> follow to make the things- you understand the devices completely.
> Believe me when I say that there's a LOT of people that wouldn't
> bother with building their own- they'd rather have one made for them,
> preferably from the best. You could position yourself as that. The
> only drawback to all of this is trying to manage the disclosure- wait
> too long and you'll do a Tesla or a Sweet (take it to the grave...),
> move too early and it may not work out as well as you planned. Me, I
> plan on disclosing as early as I can and making sure that more than
> just my immediate family have my information throughout- I'm NOT
> going to let what I find be lost with my passing.
>
> > I do think the use of F/E devices could greatly lower production costs,
> > and stuff like that, but in general I think the basic technology
> > should be given away.. On a large scale, it would benefit everyone
> > more than selling it. I've been researching this stuff for almost
> > 2 years now but have only done a few simple experiments, and my
> > main "driving force" is a better society.. Millions of dollars would
> > be nice, as it could finance other things, but I'd rather live in
> > a better society with an "average" income than have a lot of money
> > and live in a society like we have today.
>
> This is my sole motivation for my researching and collecting of
> information in the "free energy" arena. I look at the Dallas skyline
> every day and I feel ill- the smog. I try to picture what it'd be
> like without all that crap in the air- for us to breathe and see
> crystal clear air. I like the picture so much, that I do my level
> best at trying to make it possible. I've done small experiments
> that have produced nothing. But, having seen what the giants before
> us have accomplished, I know that it is possible- it's only a matter
> of time before someone, perhaps even myself, will find one of the
> secrets that the others before us found- and we'll benefit from it.
>
> But only so long as the knowlege itself is shared.
>
> > Hmm.. you could patent something and still give it away, correct?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Some income from royalties would be nice, but I guess it would depend
> > on what the device actually is.. eg. simple new type of coil
> > winding for a generator/motor, or a complex electronic device..
>
> Royalties are nice- but not needed. All you need is backers if
> you've got something that works- you can manufacture it yourself and
> sell it yourself. Marketing it is what would be your problem.
>
> > Anyway, I don't have anything to patent, so I hadn't really thought about it.
>
> Patents are *EXPENSIVE* and are mainly the tool of big corporations
> to crush their competition in this day and age. You'd be better off
> releasing the thing to the public domain and be done with it.
>
> > The best situation, in my opinion, would be for everyone to stop using
> > money, and have a "free" society, based on sharing of resources..
> > yeah I know, not likely to happen any time soon.. but it's a nice
> > thought. ;)
>
> That will only happen when people quit hoarding- and that won't happen
> when we've got limited resources (and we've that on this planet).
> The only way we're going to achieve that sort of utopia is to become
> a major spacefaring species- not unlike what is portrayed in Star
> Trek or Babylon 5.
>
> --
> Frank C. Earl
> Earl Consulting Services
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