You wrote;
> I will be glad to discuss this on the list a little
> at a time with everyone. I will not waste my time
> with individual e-mail as I have learned that few
> will comprehend it and I have spent repeated wasted
> effort in that manner with those who don't or who
> don't do anything withit.
> Do you all want to use this forum to just trade
> spook stories or do you want to learn something and
> work out the answers? Many of you don't know me but
> some of the long-time Keelynetters do. If I sound
> like I think I know the answers, well maybe I do.
Now Gerald, I hadn't seen this email when I wrote back last as I had
some 'email issues' to work out and had to purge my files, now
corrected. But I'd certainly have responded a bit differently, that's
why I'm taking this opportunity...<g>....
Be nice here, you know NONE of us, including you! are that 'advanced'
or you or any one of us would BY NOW have a working machine to prove
our contentions.
Do you have that, a working machine based on your ideas OR a technique
that others can use that will do something measurable? I'll admit
publicly I don't YET and if anyone on the list has something they are
willing to share, SPEAK UP PLEASE!!!!!
Let's at least be honest about our standing in the real world and get
away from the ideations of what we BELIEVE to be so...<g>...
Personally I love spook stories as they sometimes have little nuggets
that can be incorporated into a much larger puzzle. You might not
agree, but IMO, none of these theories or ideas means squat (mine,
yours, ANYONE) until we all start building and experimenting to PROVE
THEM instead of just talking about how we THINK things are...look at
Jay and his plant seed experiment, its not o/u, its not gravity but it
is interesting if the plant actually gains weight without the
input...excellent that he wants to get off his rear end and DO IT and
even better that he wants to report his findings so all can learn from
the observations..I think that is just so laudable.
Anyway, if you have the working technology to prove your contentions,
I'd be happy to put you or anyone else on a teacher type pedestal
along with Keely, Tesla, Schauberger and others who have taught me
much, though to date it hasn't manifested in HARDWARE. There are very
few who actually do the work, but people like George Wiseman who not
only has working hardware but also shares it in his build it manuals,
Jim Griggs who got inspired to do the hydrosonics and now sells the
units, James Bare/Rick Sheppard with all their great work with RIFE
and plasma tubes and where James sells the plans and parts lists to
build your own...it is these type people who I think deserve our
praise and support.
Well, just wanted us ALL to do a reality check, none of us should be
setting ourselves up or promoting ourselves as more advanced or
superior to anyone else, especially in a public forum that will live
on after we are gone because of the archives.
Again, 'ye shall know them by their works' as well as Perot's
question, 'what have you done LATELY?' both speak volumes about
reality and ideation...<g>...
It is GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK and participating, I know you and everyone
else in the world has pieces of the greater puzzles, so we should stay
on an even keel as PEERS....thanks!!!!!!
---Gerald O'Docharty <geraldod@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Here we go again.
>
> Edward Kauffmann wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I just had a crazy thought about gravity.
> >
> > If a quantum particle's state is dependant on the perception of the
> > observer, and if gravity (and other stuff for that matter) is a
quantum
> > based force, then it could be possible to change your perception (or
> > belief) that you will not fall to the ground when you jump in the
air. Of
> > course, everyone "knows" that they will fall, but perhaps that is
the
> > collective belief. Maybe that's why they are finding that gravity
is not a
> > constant, like thought before. Our collective beliefs have changed
> > slightly due to all these new ideas. FTL, free energy, etc.
> >
> > Well... it was just a thought.
> >
> > Ed
>
> Fortunately, Ed, reality is not determined only by the "collective
> thought" of us human observers. It is the collective consiousness of
ALL
> observers, both complex like us or higher, and simple ones like a
> particle. Since the particles 'know' how to behave based on their
> nature, it keeps the rest of us in line so we don't constantly make a
> mess of things. After all, just why is it that "everyone "knows" that
> they will fall"? Something had to set the precedent for this
perception.
> Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue otherwise?
>
>
> Bill Kingsbury wrote:
> snip:
> > Alternately, the above 'common center quite a ways beyond earth'
> > may be an argument that we live in an illusion, like a Star Trek
> > Holo-deck, where we sometimes get a glimpse of clues we weren't
> > intended to spot. That is, your recollection (above) of the
> > 'KeelyNet files', combined with a separate puzzlement of my own,
> > leads me to the following.....
>
> Bill, could you explain what an illusion is? If reality is an
illusion,
> doesn't that render the word illusion meaningless? Isn't illusion a
sort
> of relative term that implies a more substantial reality exists by
> comparison? If all that we observe of our world is "illusion" does it
> behave any differently? Think about this. I'm not pickin' on ya
Bill,
> you just expressed an idea that has been a trap for many unless it is
> followed thoroughly through to its conclusion.
>
> Everyone:
> You will never understand gravity if you think of PUSH or PULL.
There is
> only motion, PERIOD. First understand how anything can move at all. No
> thing is separate from the medium in which it exists. Matter exists as
> vibrations within its aether medium. The medium IS solid in the sense
> that there is no condition where it is absent. There cannot be 'holes'
> in aether. So matter only moves through 'space' as a wave propagation.
> You have to think of matter like a pool of otherwise calm water with
> ripples on its surface. The water is the aether, the ripples are the
> matter. How can you PUSH or PULL a ripple? No way! The only way to
move
> the ripple is to modify its motion by 'combining' other waveforms. Now
> of course for 'waves' to exist in this aether it has to posess the
> characteristic of variable density. How this can be possible I will
not
> delve into here as it is very complex.
>
> I will be glad to discuss this on the list a little at a time with
> everyone. I will not waste my time with individual e-mail as I have
> learned that few will comprehend it and I have spent repeated wasted
> effort in that manner with those who don't or who don't do anything
with
> it.
>
> Do you all want to use this forum to just trade spook stories or do
you
> want to learn something and work out the answers? Many of you don't
know
> me but some of the long-time Keelynetters do. If I sound like I
think I
> know the answers, well maybe I do. But you're not going to find out
> until you engage me in discussion. I'm not going to holler into the
wind
> nor am I going to talk to myself. Life's too short and the clock is
> ticking. Many of you have good ideas but you don't see the big
picture.
> Your concepts are too fragmentary. I don't want to take over the
forum,
> just want to have a continuing thread on this. If you don't ask
> questions it won't go anywhere because I'm not going to preach
(anymore
> <g>).
>
> Things I want to discuss:
> Matter particles; what are they and where do they come from?
> Force; what is it?
> Motion; why and how.
>
> Lets keep the exchanges brief.
>
> cheers,
> -Gerald O'Docharty
>
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