Re: More Climatic Indicators

mbgupta@julian.uwo.ca
Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:46:32 -0400

So what difference does it make if it happens a few 100 years earlier or
later the writing is on the wall - its been my experience that often people
(particularly in the collective) don't change till its too late, or it they
are lucky, they are forced to deal with an issue when it gets to close to
heart. For example most people would never think of killing other people
on their own but put them in an army and they won't even blink to kill!
This heard instinct (weakness) is what, in my opinion, that the
corporations and governments exploit so well. Another variable is the pole
shift - this could upset the best laid plans of men and mice... The best
scenario is to be prepared and self sufficient and think independently.

Chris Gupta

At 02:18 AM 4/22/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Hex et al!
>
>You wrote;
>> Man *HAS* had an impact on this process -- but I feel man's role in
>> this natural process has been grossly overstated.
>
>and
>
>> I find the whole idea of 'pollution' being the sole cause of global
>> warming........
>
>I never said or otherwise indicated mankind was the sole cause of the
>warming issue. I have seen several reports, one with all kinds of
>calculations showing how paving large surfaces for cities and highways
>has produced a tremendous amount of intercrust heating because the earth
>cannot vent heat as with exposed soil or through plants. Also, the
>deforestation has greatly reduced the conversion of monoxides to oxygen.
>Apparently monoxide holds heat (solar and otherwise) much better than
>oxygen.
>
>I agree, the earth is a large place with much land area that has not
>been clearly and proveably affected by mankinds doings, however,
>historically, IMHO, there is more than ample evidence to show a rapid
>increase in climatic problems MOST NOTABLE since the advent of
>industrialized man.
>
>I find it hard to deny the weather patterns which have grown ever more
>bizarre over the last few decades. I remember when we ALWAYS had snow
>in Texas, without fail and oftimes, several inches. This winter, we had
>frost only, no snow at all, and it has lessened every prior year. Hotter
>summers, warmer winters, inescapable.
>
>If there had been no industialization, I don't think we would have seen
>such radical shifts (relatively speaking over hundreds and even
>thousands of years) over such a short period.
>
>Deny it if you will, but the patterns are clear that mankind is a
>significant acclerator, whether the ice age time was up or not, we are
>in it and should take all steps to hold it back or stop it if we are
>truly the catalyst.
>
>To my way of thinking, this provides additional reasons why we should do
>what we can to get away from having to burn petroleum products,
>worldwide.
>
>When we succeed in either converting all combustion engines to running
>on water (hydroxy gas), or through zpe/aether taps and after a 100 year
>or so period, then we can discuss whether it worked or not.
>
>I'd rather add that to the reasons for WHY we need to make it happen (it
>being localized self-sustaining overunity generators), rather than blame
>it on natural forces that just 'happen' to be escalating at this time.

>Coincidence? I don't think there is a remote possibility of that,
>because these changes are happening so fast, in geological terms. The
>current thinking with regard to earth changes is that they occur over
>long periods of time, thousands of years or more, not in singular
>cataclysmic events, unless precipitated by outside forces, such as a
>comet, meteor, solar flares, or actions such as mankind has unwittingly
>inflicted on the planet to accelerate change.
>
>The trick is knowing what affects all the interconnected biosystems of
>the planet. That is why the weather control experiments are so
>dangerous if not carried out with very strict controls and MAJOR
>feedback, monitoring not just the local region, but the entire globe for
>unanticipated effects on other weather patterns and on the animal and
>plant life.
>
>For my money, such changes are our fault and we (and the whole world)
>should take pains to greatly minimize or stop our ecologically
>inflammatory practices.
>--
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