Norman Wootan wrote:
> Jerry: As I was driving home yesterday (5:30) there was an anouncement on
> KRLD regards a Solar Hydrogen Car being unveiled at Golden Colorado. Did you
> here about this? Let's try to pull up some details. Go back into the
> message base and read My and Gerald O's comments on Neodyminum catalist for a
> solar hydrogen generator. This technology was announced by PRC (China) back
> in the fall of 93. Norm
>
> Jerry W. Decker wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks!
> >
> > I found this in the sci.hydrogen DejaNews;
> > -------------------------
> > I have been researching the process of splitting water (H2O) into its
> > components, Hydrogen and Oxygen, to be re-mixed and burned as fuel
> > since '66.
> >
> > I have noticed many questions from novices regarding auto conversion to
> > hydrogen. Here are a few bits of info that should help. Hopefully, you
> > won't have to pay any "non-profit" groups just for information on this
> > low -polluting fuel [when burned with air, 78% Nitrogen, there is
> > Nitrogen Oxide emissions (smog)].
> >
> > The conversion of a vehicle to hydrogen is relatively simple and
> > inexpensive, using an older car before fuel injection. It is very
> > similar to a propane conversion, costing about $500.
> >
> > The main parts needed are an Impco model CA300 type carburetor, an Impco
> > low pressure regulator, a hydrogen storage tank, and the hydrogen, (try
> > Linde Co).
> >
> > Because hydrogen burns very hot (it will burn a hole through a normal
> > piston) some use plastic polymer coated pistons or sodium filled valves
> > (expensive). Most solve this problem by mixing in some of the water as
> > (steam) vapor to cool the combustion at the expense of loss of power.
> >
> > Since hydrogen has 2.5 times the power of gasoline, it doesn't matter
> > much. You can still keep up with a supercharged race car... Because of
> > the rapid combustion, the ignition gap has to be very small, like .001
> > inch.
> >
> > One of the vehicles ERDA reviewed way back in '74 used oxygen instead of
> > air, to burn the hydrogen. The Perris Smogless Automobile Association
> > from UCLA was using a Model "A" Ford as one of their hydrogen fueled
> > test engines that carried a tank of compressed hydrogen and a tank of
> > compressed oxygen.
> >
> > This was mixed together in an "oxybureter" (a closed carburater)and then
> > ignited in the cylinders, as is gasoline. The exhaust was pure hydrogen
> > and oxygen.
> >
> > This exhaust was rerouted back to the fuel tank to be used again as
> > fuel. Unfortunately, many took this to be a perpetual motion device, and
> > dismissed it without any real consideration. It performed beautifully,
> > as did their next Hydrogen-Oxygen powered the vehicle, without
> > pollution, and did not have the relatively weak power compared with an
> > electric vehicle, such as the Fuel Cell type vehicles use. No matter how
> > efficient the Fuel Cell, they still use an electric motor.
> >
> > In the last 20 years, I have seen little change published regarding
> > hydrogen power processes. New "electrolysers" are being patented using
> > the same old electrolysis processes, using higher pressures &
> > temperature, and achieving more efficient electric power with newer,
> > expensive electrolytes.
> >
> > A few novel approaches noted included forcing electron leakage to
> > seperate molecules by high voltage, or using "resonant cavities" to
> > boost and re-boost the power to achieve the necessary decomposition
> > energy for water.
> >
> > Most of these processes use the same principle of using electrochemical
> > energy to decompose the water, taking a long time to do it, and still
> > dealing with clumsy storage processes. While these may or may not work
> > (the patent attorneys don't care), the processes require constant input
> > energy, and also take too long to generate onboard fuel.
> >
> > There is an ongoing debate that a hydrogen-oxygen engine as a closed
> > system could not work because it is a violation of one of the laws of
> > thermodynamics - it could not put out more energy than was put into it.
> >
> > In other words, it would take more energy to split the water into its
> > components than it would get out of the hydrogen oxygen combustion.
> >
> > One needs to step out of the bounds of chemistry to justify this
> > self-sustaining chain reaction process. Remember that old concept of
> > E=MC squared?
> >
> > Matter is Energy! Hydrogen and oxygen molecules are energy "packets".
> > Water molecules are being used up as energy, which balances an energy
> > equation, when the mass=energy is factored in.
> >
> > A Water-Splitting chain reaction is needed, decomposing water into
> > Hydrogen and oxygen to be used as a non-polluting fuel - if not already
> > discovered and put away until the fossil fuels are used up.
> >
> > My first attempt at a web page still under construction describes a
> > process to achieve a water-splitting chain reaction.
> >
> > http://home.pacbell.net/coop88.waterasfuel3.htm
> >
> > To skip the preliminaries, click on "water splitting" to the red lined
> > part. Sorry I haven't completed my sub/sup scripts in the formulas.
> > BCNU, Coop
> > ----------------------
> > >From another inventor who has been working on it since 1968 and achieved
> > what I think is major success (8 amps in for hydrogen production, then
> > 15 amps out with a generator attached to a lawnmower engine that burns
> > the hydrogen with air)..he is working on his own web page with full
> > details....he is the closest I know to Dad Garretts success in Dallas in
> > 1935.......he says;
> > ----------------------
> > I use the mixture and run it into the intake with atmospheric air. I
> > know this creates some oxides of nitrogen, but so does gasoline and
> > nobody seems to give a damn about that, so neither do I!
> >
> > I have built steam engines powered by hydroxy. I have had the idea to
> > use the vacuum-forming capabilities of hydroxy to let the atmosphere
> > expand in the cylinders of a rankin-cycle steam engine instead of
> > steam--but I have never built the machinery.
> >
> > If you compress pure hydroxy--it forms water. No good.
> >
> > If you inject the mixture into a cylinder and then close the intake
> > valve and continue to crank for 20 degrees or so--it expands the mixture
> > and sort of dries it out.
> >
> > I detonate at about 20 to 45 degrees past tdc (top dead center of the
> > piston stroke) and I get a hell-of-a-blast-power-stroke. Because the
> > hydrogen goes off so fast, you don't need to have it "burn" for the
> > entire 180 degrees as in a gasoline or diesel engine.
> >
> > I use the exhaust stroke open for 180 degrees. This sort of makes the
> > engine run like a two-stroke--modified.
> >
> > When you start using water as fuel, you have to sort of throw out the
> > rule book. The rules change.
> > --
> > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com
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